Opinion As a westerner, would you be pro-migrants or be anti-migrants, what are you ? [2025-Edition]

[Sturm]

I was pro immigrants when we were taking the best and brightest, people who actually wanted to be "Canadian". W.e the fuck we got going on today needs to be stopped asap

 

[SandisLL]

The first thing I will have to say is, I'm not living in the west and I'm not white.

For those who lives in the west, what are your opinions and toughts about migrants coming from the third world ?

If you are honest, migrants bring more cons than pros even if they bring both. The problem is that the right is often tied to racism, nazism, and white supremacy, and is thus lacking relevancy to solve social problems.

The example would be, in a pack of 10 migrants who entered a western country illegaly, let's say than one of them is a rapist, and he raped 9 women, the metrics and statistics could say that 9 women were raped and thus that they were 9 rapists when in reality only one exist. The bad elements among the migrants give them often a bad reputation. Whatever.

If the right is often blinded by racism, the left is jeopardized by the victim card, for example, if a black man is being ripped-off on a street, the crime which was a theft, could be labeled as a racist crime, when in reality, the thief only stole the black man because of his wallet, and not because of his skin color, and if he was white, the victim would have been stolen anyway, and that crime could be labeled as a racist crime, which is not, even if the thief was a black person robbing another black person.

Racism and victim card to see racism everywhere, is the illusions of modern politics in the west.

Would it be better if the west started to take care first of it's own population with stable and sustainable social programs ? First, before thinking of opening the door to all the misery of the world ?
It is a bit sad to see orphans dying from the cold on the streets, diving into trashes to survive, like stray cats and dogs, they would certainly need your money from your taxes, local citizens must come first according to me before foreigners.

It is impossible to handle migrants with opinions, especially stupid ones that are disconnected from reality. There is only one solution to handle migrants, actions. So, in other word, laws and their enforcement through law enforcements such as the police and the army. Identification, Selection and Deportation could be the winning formula. The very least would be to remove the non desirable bad ones from your country, no future will be found after all with rapists, terrorists and others non-civilized human-beings.

Migrants are a calculated plan led by western elites. In fact, if you were to ask, anyone of them in those higher circles, he would tell you this "It is not the third world of tomorrow who will be like the west of today, it is rather the west of tomorrow who will be like the third world of today"

One thing that is important to know, is that migrants bring more cons than pros even if they bring both, that was said before. Migrants in your western countries, benefit first the corporated giants, if you work for 30k dollars for a job 35 hours a week, you will have a migrant who was a former miner or builder, who would be willing to do your job for 10K dollars 60 hours a week. Simply because he is a tough guy who to who, the worst day of your life is better than the best day of his life,

Migrants will benefit the corporated giants, as they are leverage of using the misery of the world to bring and maintain the salaries extremely down, and adding extra working hours, which is beneficial to them. Work more to gain less will be the disgusting formula offered to the western citizens.

The corporated giants will not have to bring their corporations to the third world, as it is now the third world who is coming to them. The third world slave who in his attempt to escape misery will only end up at best as a modern slave, and thus his freedom will be incomplete. An irregular migrant who left the misery of the third world, would often find the same misery by being exploited and underpaid while working illegaly, and even if he were to be succesful and become a legalized citizen, he would only become a modern slave like the modern white man.

Migrants can benefit your country, especially for those who are talented with interesting skills, could support your country by being or by bringing external positivities, that is why talented migrants must be prioritized, as what men can bring on the table is not equal, some are simply more interesting to offer citizenship than others.

The language barrier is not really a problem, as all it takes is one generation of children for the barrier to be broken. And parents could be taught english in 2/3 years. When you see some countries, spending billions of dollars to welcome migrants, randomely, is crazy. Culture difference will not really create strifes, as all men on earth are almost the same in the age of the globalization, we all wear t-shirt & jeans, use the internet, using banks, driving cars, etc. Globalization is the culture. The risk of civil war because of migrants forming separated communities is a fake-theory supported by the racists linked to the right, as a civil war could occur between white men alone, the south against the north, the east against the west, civil wars can occur without even strangers in the equation.

Relevancy can be found with migrants, only if you select them by priority, and if you discard some who are not desirable. A doctor, or an engineer do not have the same value than a bum, it's a fact. If you have a budget of welcoming 10 migrants, and if your selection is random, you could say yes on paper to 10 bums and say no at the same time to 10 doctors, engineers, IT specialists, etc when it would have been wiser to accept 10 doctors/engineers than 10 bums. Some western countries, are doing it right now, and will do insane things, like offering residency to millions of migrants without even selecting them by priority.

When all it would have taken would have been a star system, 1 star for a bum, 2 stars for skillfull migrants, 3 stars for generational talents/important assets, and a red cross for migrants having ties to terrorism.

It is a mistake, give residency first to people who are valuable rather than it being given randomely. But in the end you can say whatever you want, a social program to handle migrants with a purpose to limit the cons that they bring and to amplify the pros that they bring, and a clever use of law enforcemenst is the only way. Death sentence for serious offenders must be applied as well as it is necessary to maintain the order.

The army is also one of the best way to assimilate integrate migrants.

Why migrants will cause chaos ?

More migrants = More population, migrants are known to make 4/5/6/7 kids per family for the most if not more.
Then you have AI, robots and machines emerging = Less need for men = Less jobs = Massive joblessness

Migrants = Overpopulation
AI and Robots = Less jobs

Overpopulation + less jobs = Massive joblessness

Massive joblessness = The collapse of welfare

Welfare will collapse under the weight of millions of unemployed men.

A futurologist that I know, said that, the west of tomorrow society will look like the society of an international airport. He said that long time ago and he was not wrong. An internationlized population, would be a necessary step for a world government after globalization which was already achieved. Theories like le grand remplacement, are false. Foreigners migrants will not replace white population, but simply blend in.

Poland nationalism will save it from migrants, how many rapes in Sweden, in the UK, how many crimes, murders in Spain and France ? Poland simply knew what was best for it, they knew that they could end-up like France and Sweden, with more cons than pros, they knew the game of welcoming migrants was not worth it, they simply did what was best for them. Poland won more out of closing it's borders to irrelugars migrants than what it would have won if welcoming them.

When you important the third world massively, you can only become the third world.

So what would you do to solve the issues given by migrants. What are the solutions ? Are you pro-migrants or anti-migrants ?

Poland nationalism is term used by ukr and russian & western propaganda.

While in reality when Pope was Pole a lot of black bishops had been ordinated.
Also yes, what a shame, a lot of voters and taxpayers are excepting that you will follow classic behaviour in public like lutherans and chatolics had been taught in 1990 ies in Portugal, Spain, Italy or even Germany.
If to behave according codex is big problem maybe Jerusalem really should be liberated in crusaders souce. . .. from evil, satan etc etc etc....

 

[ricc505]

Lot of books in replies..... I'm pro legal immigration.

 

[SandisLL]

Look, it's pretty obvious there are good and bad migrants. Some actually have skills or desire to work hard, others just want to live on welfare. Some come from cultures that are mostly compatible and others come from cultures that are straight up hostile. The restrictions in the past, while racist to modern day sensitivities, were basically due to that.
It's just a fact that it's very unlikely migrants from Mexico will become terrorists, while it's not really surprising when migrants from Pakistan blow stuff up. These are both third world, somewhat poor countries, but one is better than the other.
So it's pretty obvious you need some kind of restriction and some countries will have laxer restrictions than others.
What happened in Europe due to the Arab Spring, was that millions of migrants, from countries that pose a very serious security risk due to a hostile culture and the presence of terrorist factions, were able to move to Europe without any kind of vetting.
Americans try to draw parallels with their migrants that come from Latin America, but there are none.

Having said that, while it's clear that having more people will cause an increase in GDP or avoid a fall in GDP due to low birth rates, I think the danger of a collapse of Western Europe due to low birth rates and the urgent need for migrants is overblown. So, I'm not against allowing migration from people that can claim a link to an European country or to people that have a skill in need, but I'm against open large scale migration and migratory waves from places at war to Europe.

In europe, incl eastern euro spanish and mexicans, portugal ppl are considered as white and in general from them is excepted that they are atheists or christians.

 

[tastaylvr]

I was pro immigrants when we were taking the best and brightest, people who actually wanted to be "Canadian". W.e the fuck we got going on today needs to be stopped asap

This is one of the biggest lies on this forum lol

We have people complaining about doctors coming in now

Just say the truth and stop hiding behind bs

 

[tastaylvr]

We had one " nice " incident ....hooligan had burned Bible in public area ( violation of laws about public safety by creating threat for health and safety by unauthorised items burning )...and after this he told police patrol that he will kill them.

Administrarive court had decided that will be enough with 400 + 5000 € fines....
While offender then had promised to kill judge and other shit.
Now he is in mental healthcare. With benefits and compensated meds prescr papers to calm down nerves.

Imagine what stuff had happened with him if he did this in Saudi Arabia with Quran?

I had been in muslim countries and a bit know about dressing codex and never had even visited mosques if didn't had been invited...

I don't come to teach others or post for $.
I had been in mosques and sinagogas because I had been invited and had followed dressing and behaviour codex.

Not like someone might dream that he might come in my home and instruct me how to spend my tax money and instruct me how O should think about God, my soul or how to use my VAT etc....
When we are giving pocket money for kids and they are purchasing groceries, they already are paying VAT in real life not dreams. There someone will instruct even these kids how this VAT should be used etc or these kids maybe doesn't have the same religion therefore automatically are peace of shit born to feed oppressed fresh newcomers?

We even do need immigants but not violent or aggrressive dreamers.

lol you got no idea about saudia Arabia

Foreigners do a lot of shit and drink/party etc

You are delusional if you think they are enforcing the Quran there

 

[LeonardoBjj]

- If you come from a place. And bring the same problems and behavior that ruined your former place, obviously either you're a selfish imbecile.

So i'm pro migrants if they respect the culture of the new place and behavior like civilized persons. Chineses do eat dogs, but i've yet to see some news of they atacking pets and eating them for example.

 

[Ara tech]

You cannot say no to migrants. At least an absolute no. Your country cannot function in autarky in the age of globalization.

Also, your corporations and government to remain competitive, must bring foreigners, especially in era where they are lacking or are weak. Outsourcing mostly and others things, with or without shell corporations and the dirty tricks that come with them.

Migrants can contribute to the knowledge economy, that was proven. You just need to select them and prioritize based on their value and rarity and refuse the bad elements rather than opening your door to all.

If you had one million migrants in your country, and if you were to make a law, register in 9 months but do not get kicked out or if not registred get kicked out if arrested in a patrol, you would have at least the majority registred. A good start.

Those who failed to register, deport them. Identification, Arrest, Deportation.

It is not about loving migrants or hating them, but about winning out of them and not losing out of them. But like they say, if you important the third world massively, you can only become the third world.

 

[Ara tech]

- If you come from a place. And bring the same problems and behavior that ruined your former place, obviously either you're a selfish imbecile.

So i'm pro migrants if they respect the culture of the new place and behavior like civilized persons. Chineses do eat dogs, but i've yet to see some news of they atacking pets and eating them for example.

If Brazil was in the west and if you were it's president, you would accept migrants to live there as long as they respect the law end are beneficial to society, but you would not accept parasites, rapists and thugs.

You have more common sense than most western politicians.

 

[BFoe]

People from civilised countries, with compatible cultures, came to America in the late 1800s.

You must now - 125 years later - accept feral, undocumented males from countries where women and gays are stoned to death and rape is a hobby rather than a crime.

This seems like a lot of nonsense. Firstly, we didn’t have immigration laws like we do today until the 1920s. All sorts of undocumented people came here before that.

A lot of our railroads were built in the 1800s by Asian immigrants, largely Chinese, for example. In what way is that a “compatible culture,” and actually what does that even mean? It’s not a European culture, it’s not even a western culture.

The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 was passed because of all of the same shitty, racist sentiments we hear today: those immigrants were accused of being immoral, taking jobs and undercutting wages—in fact they were called “coolie labor,” basically meaning slave labor, the same dumb accusation the Right makes today about Latino immigrants.

Today’s anti-immigrant sentiment is largely the same ol shit we’ve heard for ages.

 

[SandisLL]

lol you got no idea about saudia Arabia

Foreigners do a lot of shit and drink/party etc

You are delusional if you think they are enforcing the Quran there

I do have idea. Yes, they ( westerners ) are silently drinking alco and gambling a lot. While they doesn't come in mosques to teach how to think and how to dress and doesn't burn Quran books etc stuff.
With alco supplies 0 problems if you don't make problems....

 

[LeonardoBjj]

If Brazil was in the west and if you were it's president, you would accept migrants to live there as long as they respect the law end are beneficial to society, but you would not accept parasites, rapists and thugs.

You have more common sense than most western politicians.

- That should be scary. As i am a adult that plays with Legos, watch pro-wrestling and Power Rangers everyday!

 

[avenue94]

You are not allowed to have kids until you speak the local language fluently and have been self supporting for at least 3-5 years without interruptions. Practically impossible to see through but it's astounding the amount of migrants that enter and a few years later they have 5-6 kids all extremely close in age so they've just been popping out one after another.

So you're pro-eugenics.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

I'm ok with migrants coming in the legal way of course, honestly we need their labour and skilled workers. During COVID a lot of pubs and restaurants would close from time to time due to lack of casual staff, Ubers were hard to get etc, it's not like they're coming over and taking the jobs Aussies want or can do for the most part.

Refugees are certainly something I support us taking our fair share of too, I feel like it's the price of living in a great country and we need to look out for the downtrodden. We do have an African gang problem in Melbourne unfortunately, I'm not sure what can be done about that tbh.

i don't expect migrants to come here, grow a mullet, grab a VB and a footy and forget about their culture. Certainly expect they'll maintain their religion and culture but hopefully will be open to embracing Australia as well.

 

[avenue94]

People from civilised countries, with compatible cultures, came to America in the late 1800s.

You must now - 125 years later - accept feral, undocumented males from countries where women and gays are stoned to death and rape is a hobby rather than a crime.

In what way were Ireland or Italy civilized countries with compatible cultures? They weren't even seen as fellow white Americans.

Well... it appears Democrats are back to wanting slaves

What's your definition of slavery? Is it the same as communism and open borders...aka whatever you want it to mean when you're ranting?

Migrants will always be first a security risk before being anything else. Poland policy is simply the best in europe.

And yet people can't put two and two together and understand why countries that turn away migrants underperform economically and politically.

 

[avenue94]

If Brazil was in the west and if you were it's president, you would accept migrants to live there as long as they respect the law end are beneficial to society, but you would not accept parasites, rapists and thugs.

You have more common sense than most western politicians.

Does your globe look different, because Brazil is in the Western hemisphere. It's literally more Western than Europe.

 

[usernamee]

So you're pro-eugenics.

No, you stupid twat.

I'm against people who just arrive giving birth to five kids back to back which will keep them home not working and they will also receive a monthly child allowance for every single child for the coming 16 years (In my country).

My whole point was to make sure people can speak the damn language and support themselves financially before they burden the system with a bunch of kids.

 

[Ara tech]

Muslims from Indonesia, Malaysia, Kazaksthan, Russia, do not create problems in Western countries. But muslims from northern Africa and Middle East are often trouble makers. It's more a problem of education you know.

The average Muslim will try to promote his religion, even if he do not benefit from it, and even if he is not even himself a preacher of it, Islam limits itself to fasting and eating halal food, instead of praying. It's all political bullshit.

Religions always were a tool for power, the crusades aim was to control silkroads like trade routes.

When you promote religion in the public sphere, and if you have diversity in your population, it will never work well and things will never run smooth. Better keep religions for the private life of people.

If you have a population of 49% Christian and 51% Muslim, saying yes to one would mean saying no to the others, and thus lead to a civil war. It is not about defending Islam or defending Christianity, or whatever religion, it is about winning something out of citizens in your country for a better future.

You cannot handle Islam, because simply Islam is not a person, but you certainly can handle muslims. In fact, most muslims would have been executed by their lifestyles according to Islam, rape/molesting = death sentence, the same afgan paki muslim who rapes and molest swedish women in sweden will tell you that he wants an islamic state in Sweden,

But buddy, you would have been beheaded for rape if they were a real islamic state in Sweden.

It just doesn't make sense. Singapore with it's harsher laws could handle migrations well, better than Swedish humanism who does not seem to work with non civilized people.

 

[SandisLL]

This seems like a lot of nonsense. Firstly, we didn’t have immigration laws like we do today until the 1920s. All sorts of undocumented people came here before that.

A lot of our railroads were built in the 1800s by Asian immigrants, largely Chinese, for example. In what way is that a “compatible culture,” and actually what does that even mean? It’s not a European culture, it’s not even a western culture.

The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 was passed because of all of the same shitty, racist sentiments we hear today: those immigrants were accused of being immoral, taking jobs and undercutting wages—in fact they were called “coolie labor,” basically meaning slave labor, the same dumb accusation the Right makes today about Latino immigrants.

Today’s anti-immigrant sentiment is largely the same ol shit we’ve heard for ages.

Trump himself is german immigrants offspring btw. Vance too is european immigrants offsspring not native local american.

Doesn't likes immigrants and europeans are dumb peace of s*** for european immigrants offsprings like Trump and MTG & Vance are ?

Enrico Fermi might look for dreamers like peace of s*** just cos immigrant from Italy.
Bum.
Unlike Pump ofc.
First reactor in this world.
Still should be a bum unlike immigrants offsprings in Trump and Vance? Sure, both these are native americans offsprings, american indians?

Thermonuclear weapons design is mainly based on useless ofc immigrants with jewish, hungarian and swedish bloodline, automatically dumb ? It is Teller - Ulam design...
Bums for sure.
Steam machines production cos bums from europe?
Trump and Vance and MTG are european immigrants offsprings BTW.

 

[Croo67]

In what way were Ireland or Italy civilized countries with compatible cultures? They weren't even seen as fellow white Americans.

Best Liberal American comment on Europe I’ve ever seen on here.