Arum :"Pacquiao vs. Bradley 3 did between 400-500K buys, not good"

[robjenkins2]

Even with the rumored JCC SR vs Roberto Duran on the undercard, nobody is gonna pay to watch that.

It might to better than Adamek/Molina and Mosley/Mayorga 2

They really need to start investing in and actually promoting these young fighters, how else are they gonna build stars? Promoters need to do their part, there is a lot of talent out there that needs to be exposed to the general public.

 

[wilddeuces]

PPV can be a thing, just need the right fighters, the right match ups and the right promotion really.

Promotion more than anything. UFC has a great promotional engine. When they have lacklustre cards, it shows, but when they stack a card, fans get multiple big fights for the PPV cost. Boxing traditionally has had the main card as the reason to watch and the under card fights as opportunities for those other fighters to get exposure.

People I think innately understand boxing better than a lot of the MMA techniques (a fist fight makes sense, even on a purely intuitive level), the promotional groups need to coordinate. Case in point: a guy like Bradley should be fighting the name WW's in PBC but won't because of promotional rivalries. MMA will probably end up like that in the next 15 to 20 years, which probably why Dana will sell the UFC to China so they don't have to compete with emerging groups like Bellator, and can get out while its hot. < Run on sentence....

 

[robjenkins2]

Promotion more than anything. UFC has a great promotional engine. When they have lacklustre cards, it shows, but when they stack a card, fans get multiple big fights for the PPV cost. Boxing traditionally has had the main card as the reason to watch and the under card fights as opportunities for those other fighters to get exposure.

People I think innately understand boxing better than a lot of the MMA techniques (a fist fight makes sense, even on a purely intuitive level), the promotional groups need to coordinate. Case in point: a guy like Bradley should be fighting the name WW's in PBC but won't because of promotional rivalries. MMA will probably end up like that in the next 15 to 20 years, which probably why Dana will sell the UFC to China so they don't have to compete with emerging groups like Bellator, and can get out while its hot. < Run on sentence....

All good points, it's up to the promoter to make a connection between the fighters and the fans.

 

[Sharkey]

It's not a bad number at all, but it shows that Manny's star power has diminished a little bit.

I wouldn't say that. It could very well be a an extremely bad number considering the two main event fighters had a combined guarantee north of $25 million.

 

[ahheadlock]

Decent numbers. It was a fight that didn't have to happen and honestly, I didn't mind watching it at all.

That being said PPV is getting to be a near impossible model to accurately gauge interest. They are simply behind the times in how to get people to watch the fight. I appreciate some of the decent under cards that are being tried lately, but PPV costs are too high when a surprising number people will just watch it illegally. There were a couple people I know that simply don't know how to watch (it's not on - even reruns - on cable like it was as much before) or which fighters are worth following because there is no publicity.

Boxing is a fractured sport that needs to get its shit together if it wants people to get involved.

I'd love to see PPV streams on the web. Surely there is some money to be made there from people who dont want to pay cable / satellite subscriptions plus PPV costs to watch fights once in a while. A lot of us who aren't in the US struggle to see these fights too, and then it's torrent or bust. I'd pay some bucks to stream it on my laptop.

 

[BamaBoy91]

PPV can be a thing, just need the right fighters, the right match ups and the right promotion really.

Yep like I said earlier ggg vs canelo would do ppv numbers.


Maybe wilder vs joshua could do good ppv numbers one day

 

[JayElectra]

Whoa. I thought it made only 650k in PPV sales? There was a thread a while back about it that claimed so.

There were a few differing claims made early if I remember right. The final number HBO reported (and HBO could be potentially liable for lying to stockholders if they misrepresented their revenues) was 900K about two weeks after the fight.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/i...cotto-pay-per-view-gets-900k-buys-58m-revenue

 

[Gigaton Punch]

1. The May/Pac event damaged both fighters' drawing power irreparably
2. This wasn't a fight people wanted to see anyway. The great majority of people felt Pac won the first 2 fights so this 'rubber match' was a farce.
3. Pac's gay bashing comments killed any chance they had at salvaging promotion for the fight.

 

[Sharkey]

Promotion more than anything. UFC has a great promotional engine. When they have lacklustre cards, it shows, but when they stack a card, fans get multiple big fights for the PPV cost. Boxing traditionally has had the main card as the reason to watch and the under card fights as opportunities for those other fighters to get exposure.

People I think innately understand boxing better than a lot of the MMA techniques (a fist fight makes sense, even on a purely intuitive level), the promotional groups need to coordinate. Case in point: a guy like Bradley should be fighting the name WW's in PBC but won't because of promotional rivalries. MMA will probably end up like that in the next 15 to 20 years, which probably why Dana will sell the UFC to China so they don't have to compete with emerging groups like Bellator, and can get out while its hot. < Run on sentence....

MMA has already gone through that period when there were promotional rivals to the UFC with both Pride and then later with Strikeforce. It's only been the last few years where there wasn't a strong promotional alternative to the UFC. Like you say, odds are great that it'll happen again sooner rather than later. The top promoters in boxing have also shown much more willingness to cross promote than the UFC does, who did it a little bit with Pride during the earliest days of Zuffa, but then outright refused to cross promote events after that when the opportunity arose.

 

[Cracky]

The last fight didnt do great numbers did it? I just don't think two nice guys can sell a fight.. people want a backstory these days..they want the fighters to hate each other..and most fighters play along until after the fight..but Pac and Bradley do not

 

[Seano]

Such a graceful fight, the number 1
Vs number 3 welterweight in the world fighting each other.

Floyd and Berto did 400k as well.

A lot of dumb ass "fans" didn't think it was worth watching because they'd fought twice before.

It was as entertaining as I predicted it'd be. Pac put on a show, Bradley made him work. Good stuff.

 

[Queen B]

Pac vs Crawford wouldve done around 600-800k range.

 

[MMA Country]

The last fight didnt do great numbers did it? I just don't think two nice guys can sell a fight.. people want a backstory these days..they want the fighters to hate each other..and most fighters play along until after the fight..but Pac and Bradley do not

it did somewhere around 1M if I remember correctly.

Not spectacular but it validated the idea that boxing had superstars that could sell entire cards specifically with their own name brands.

I don't think that's the case anymore.

 

[Seano]

Pac vs Crawford wouldve done around 600-800k range.

No.
Fans don't know who Crawford is.

 

[cheesus]

I bought it, hungover as fuck and should of just streamed it.

Paq has lost a lot of his fans & appeal with his recent antics, decisioning & his lackluster performance against Mayweather. I won't bother buying another Paq headlined event again

 

[nac386]

I bought it, hungover as fuck and should of just streamed it.

Paq has lost a lot of his fans & appeal with his recent antics, decisioning & his lackluster performance against Mayweather. I won't bother buying another Paq headlined event again

It's funny that you're taking this stand after he retired.

 

[Seano]

I bought it, hungover as fuck and should of just streamed it.

Paq has lost a lot of his fans & appeal with his recent antics, decisioning & his lackluster performance against Mayweather. I won't bother buying another Paq headlined event again

Gotta be KO's, right brah?!?!

And I know I ain't watching no boxers who aren't down with homosexuality.

 

[cheesus]

It's funny that you're taking this stand after he retired.

Floyd took him to school, he looked desperate that entire fight..might of been a bit more competitive earlier on his his career. He seems to have tightened his style ever since Marquez sent him to space.

 

[robjenkins2]

Gotta be KO's, right brah?!?!

And I know I ain't watching no boxers who aren't down with homosexuality.

I don't understand why people get so upset over this stuff, it's OKAY to not like homosexuality, just like it's OKAY to be for it.

 

[nac386]

Floyd took him to school, he looked desperate that entire fight..might of been a bit more competitive earlier on his his career. He seems to have tightened his style ever since Marquez sent him to space.

Yeah. I probably won't buy any more Mike Tyson fights either, not after the shit he's pulled.