Armatix Smart Gun

[Throttlehead]

Hey Throttle

As a gun owner would you replace or add to your collection with this technology?

No probably not, and not for the reason you would expect. I live in Canada where owning a handgun is a burden, you need a licence to transport it to the range in a lockbox etc, very hard to manage for my need. If the technology was offered for rifles and shotguns, and I was buying a gun in the future, I would certainly check it out.

I don't have collections per se, I just have guns for hunting, its just the way we grew up. If I decided to get a handgun for some reason, I would certainly entertain the idea, tech is my line of work. PM me some time if you like, I have a ton more ideas how this technology can be advanced.

I still think the biggest market is law enforcement, imagine keeping shot count, time of shot and many other things, it would help a lot of investigations and sort some crooked cops out as well as help the honest ones. The RFID technology is not broken as easily as some say (parts from radio shack), it can be real good. I personally would say if law enforcement did use it, they should chip themselves instead of watch/bracelet, its no big deal.

 

[Snackbar]

No probably not, and not for the reason you would expect. I live in Canada where owning a handgun is a burden, you need a licence to transport it to the range in a lockbox etc, very hard to manage for my need. If the technology was offered for rifles and shotguns, and I was buying a gun in the future, I would certainly check it out.

I don't have collections per se, I just have guns for hunting, its just the way we grew up. If I decided to get a handgun for some reason, I would certainly entertain the idea, tech is my line of work. PM me some time if you like, I have a ton more ideas how this technology can be advanced.

I still think the biggest market is law enforcement, imagine keeping shot count, time of shot and many other things, it would help a lot of investigations and sort some crooked cops out as well as help the honest ones. The RFID technology is not broken as easily as some say (parts from radio shack), it can be real good. I personally would say if law enforcement did use it, they should chip themselves instead of watch/bracelet, its no big deal.

Canadian as well here, i cant see any benefit to this technology for long guns aside from just being something different that gets a few curious looks at the range.

So rather than a general safety mechanism you see this as more of a benefit for law enforcement logistics?

 

[Throttlehead]

Canadian as well here, i cant see any benefit to this technology for long guns aside from just being something different that gets a few curious looks at the range.

So rather than a general safety mechanism you see this as more of a benefit for law enforcement logistics?

Well I can't comment on looks at the range, I have never been to a range in my life, our range was going out to pasture and shooting gophers or driving the country side and shooting rabbits. We had zillions of sloughs to shoot ducks, and during goose season we lived right in the flyway of the Canada goose. We had tons of deer and antelope around as well.

Well when I read 1 out of 8 cops that are shot, are shot with their own gun, that kind of amazes me, I think this kind of technology could prevent that. It would certainly help with logistics I would think.

Whats your take?

 

[Snackbar]

I think as a safety measure for the general public it would not make it in to the hands of the people that need it.

From the law enforcement stand point i see what your getting at though. So long as any kinks are worked out of it, would hate to see an officer left without defence due to glitches or anything.

 

[Throttlehead]

I think as a safety measure for the general public it would not make it in to the hands of the people that need it.

From the law enforcement stand point i see what your getting at though. So long as any kinks are worked out of it, would hate to see an officer left without defence due to glitches or anything.

Some people in the public that have younger children may want it just as another measure of no worry. You are always going to have people that have accidents because of just being plain stupid, you can't fix that unless you don't give them a gun of any kind. Some other people just like to shoot people legally apparently, so you can't fix that either, its the law.

Well I would think they should be able to make it pretty reliable, regular guns jam on occasion as well. Some people even worry about a battery being involved, yet their mom might have pacemaker keeping her alive on a battery. You could also use a coil in this situation making it free from ever losing power, if it was left for a year and was dead, one manual reload and cycle it would charge again and be ready to shoot.

That AR7 I have, if you don't use the right shells in the clip (I know magazine, just like imagining heads exploding) it jams consistently, and AR never really admitted it, it was trial by error.

BTW where you from?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Of course people should be able to own guns, that shouldn't be debatable. The laws and which guns should be debatable.

Why which guns? They all discharge bullets to some degree or another. But since you want to debate (presumably with Americans) you'll need to show why something isn't effective for military combat before you can eve being to have a case for restricting it. So which guns not useful for battle do you wish to remove from the hands of the citizenry of the USA?

 

[DoomAndDarkness**]

It's amazing the lengths people will go to to try to avoid personal responsibility. Keep your guns locked in your safe. It isn't that complicated.

 

[Groundmaster]

I'm a moderate in the gun debate.

:icon_lol:

 

[Byron Carter]

Some people in the public that have younger children may want it just as another measure of no worry. You are always going to have people that have accidents because of just being plain stupid, you can't fix that unless you don't give them a gun of any kind. Some other people just like to shoot people legally apparently, so you can't fix that either, its the law.

Well I would think they should be able to make it pretty reliable, regular guns jam on occasion as well. Some people even worry about a battery being involved, yet their mom might have pacemaker keeping her alive on a battery. You could also use a coil in this situation making it free from ever losing power, if it was left for a year and was dead, one manual reload and cycle it would charge again and be ready to shoot.

That AR7 I have, if you don't use the right shells in the clip (I know magazine, just like imagining heads exploding) it jams consistently, and AR never really admitted it, it was trial by error.

BTW where you from?

And yet another person who refuses to even learn simple terminology about the very thing they wish to ban.

Ignored and totally discredited.

 

[Groundmaster]

Jesus Christ. School shootings, anyone? See if you can follow.

Writing nonsense bc you ran out of arguments?

 

[Groundmaster]

And yet another person who refuses to even learn simple terminology about the very thing they wish to ban.

Ignored and totally discredited.

You are really not the brightest are you?

- Throttlehead does NOT want to ban guns.
- Not wanting to discern between a clip and a magazine makes you unable to rationaly talk about gun related stuff?

On top of that YOU where the guy who thought an SKS shoots .22 ammo. So by your own standards you better never talk about guns again bc of being totally discredited.

 

[Scrody]

:icon_lol:

Hey, at least I represent my side well. I don't go around making up words, mr. Categoraly lol

 

[Groundmaster]

Hey, at least I represent my side well.

No. Foam at the mouth raving is not representing anything well unless you are a certified berserker.

 

[Throttlehead]

And yet another person who refuses to even learn simple terminology about the very thing they wish to ban.

Ignored and totally discredited.

You need new eyes and the thing behind them, someone can write black, you are thinking white, and thats all you see is white.

SHOW ME one post where I said ban guns.

Whats that terminology you speak of, whats the cardinal gun sin you speak of.

 

[Scrody]

No. Foam at the mouth raving is not representing anything well unless you are a certified berserker.

The only reason i came off extra pissed about the burglary story is because I had just dealt with a burglar lol and when I did catch him red handed I didn't blow his brains out. I don't foam, mate.

 

[Groundmaster]

Whats that terminology you speak of, whats the cardinal gun sin you speak of.

Probably and I quote:

Furthermore, that weapon is cheap hunting rifle. It's used for hunting small game. Squirrels and shit.

That my dear Byron is called self pwnage.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

My point on that particular aspect of terminology still remains: It is a distinction irrelevant to policy discussions. You've failed to even try to argue otherwise.

The problem is, your "point" is not true. A "clip" and a "magazine" are two different implements in regards to fire arms.

This is a "clip" notice how it is being used to top load the rifle and feed the fixed magazine:

This is a rifle with a detachable Magazine:

Note that the clip is an antiquated mechanism to load magazines.

To say this is some "irrelevant distinction" would be like saying the difference between a gas pump and a gas tank are an "irrelevant distinction".

Your point is simply wrong, I'm sorry, your assertion dose not hold to even to most basic rigor, time to abandon your position or risk losing further credibility.

The fact that I disagree with piss-poor arguments,

Then you should disagree with you own above statement.

 

[Groundmaster]

To say this is some "irrelevant distinction" would be like saying the difference between a gas pump and a gas tank are an "irrelevant distinction".

It is pretty much irrelevant when talking about the pros and cons of the Armatrix Smart Gun.
What is however worse is that the guy who pointed out his error committed a much graver error which was also very relevant in that thread.
Now I cannot see anybody telling Byron that his pov are worthless bc he seems to think an SKS is a .22 hunting rifle.
What is even more questionable however is that he thought Throttlehead, who is an avid hunter and owns several longarms, wanted to ban guns.

(interesting bit of trivia: the above mentioned SKS is one of the last battle rifles to be issued with stripper clips as a standard)

 

[spamking]

A question for anyone who supports this technology . . .

Would you also support all new cars being equipped with breathalyzers that you had to use and pass before you could start the car and drive?

How about the cell phone kill switch technology that seems to be gaining momentum?

Would you want something that you bought be controlled to this extreme?

 

[Groundmaster]

A question for anyone who supports this technology . . .

Would you also support all new cars being equipped with breathalyzers that you had to use and pass before you could start the car and drive?

Difficult question - I think yes though. The analogy is bad though. Not ALL guns are going to be equipped with this thingy nor has anyone advocated that.

How about the cell phone kill switch technology that seems to be gaining momentum?

Would you want something that you bought be controlled to this extreme?

The point of the smart gun is NOT to be able to switch it of remotely but to make it impossible for others to use it (against you).

As there is a fairly high risk of getting shot with your own gun in a self defense situation you would have to be stupid NOT to want this.

Now the other question could ( and would ) it be misused - probably, but I'd really have no problem with the police being able to stop a gunfight b4 it happens.

I know the 2nd amendment we need gunz to protect us from corrupt officials crowd will be up in arms but:

- If you are fixed on civil disobedience anyway you will find a way to remove the chip

- I generally do not see arming the public with small arms as a great means of stopping a dictatorship.