Armatix Smart Gun

[Cubo de Sangre]

Because we're not talking about locking someone up for possessing a 'certain' gun. We're talking about whether or not felons deserve the right to buy guns having had that right removed via due process due to their own actions. Byron thinks it's a natural right than can't be infringed, I pointed out that we limit natural rights for public safety all the time and shouting 'fire' in a theater was an example. Clear now?

Clear up to the point that "shouting 'fire' in a theater" has anything to do with free speech or that it can be used as a rationale for disallowing guns.

 

[UpaLoompa]

Well that settles it. Ignoring you.

If you still can't even admit you were wrong and use proper terminology in a civil discussion, I have nothing left to say to you.

I strongly advise any other pro 2nd people to just ignore you as well, and to stop wasting time with a deliberate troll.

My loss, I guess. :icon_cry2

It is weird that you'd quote a post where I admit I didn't use proper terminology as evidence that I don't admit when I use improper terminology. Very odd. My point on that particular aspect of terminology still remains: It is a distinction irrelevant to policy discussions. You've failed to even try to argue otherwise.

Moreover, many people here have seen me make lengthy posts "pro 2nd". The fact that I disagree with piss-poor arguments, including those made by you, doesn't mean I'm a troll. It just means I don't like piss-poor arguments even when they're on the same side of an issue as me.
I've posted repeatedly that I don't support all existing, let alone additional, legislation because I think it is largely irrelevant to our (shrinking) gun crime problems and primarily affects non-criminals. I also do not support "assault weapon" bans or bans on high capacity clips icon_twis). At the same time, arguments that increased gun-ownership leads to decreases in crime is not necessarily what should be inferred from ownership-crime statistics. More properly, both increases in ownership and decreases in ownership co-occur with decreases in gun crime and decreases in gun crime cannot be clearly disentangled with broader trends in crime decreases.

I will say that people that think their Bushmaster will help fight tyranny are typically nutters with moronic Red Dawn fantasies and generally laughable.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I will say that people that think their Bushmaster will help fight tyranny are typically nutters with moronic Red Dawn fantasies and generally laughable.

Voting R or D is what fights tyranny?

 

[Uchi Mata]

Clear up to the point that "shouting 'fire' in a theater" has anything to do with free speech or that it can be used as a rationale for disallowing guns.

My point is merely that the bill of rights is not absolute. We do restrict constitutional rights in various circumstances, and as such merely saying that something (in this case, gun ownership) is a natural, constitutionally enshrined right is not sufficient justification for never limiting it.

 

[Uchi Mata]

Voting R or D is what fights tyranny?

First you need some tryanny to fight. I recommend Uganda.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

My point is merely that the bill of rights is not absolute. We do restrict constitutional rights in various circumstances, and as such merely saying that something (in this case, gun ownership) is a natural, constitutionally enshrined right is not sufficient justification for never limiting it.

Then how about something that does actually infringe on free speech with a penalty imposed by the government. Like not being able to say certain words (or have wardrobe malfunctions) on government airwaves. That would be a violation because expression is being stunted and words are being taken away. Arguing you can't yell fire when there isn't one is like arguing you can't shoot somebody for no reason. Neither amendment was designed to allow for these behaviors so they are hardly restrictions on them.

First you need some tryanny to fight. I recommend Uganda.

I'll wait until it rolls around to my neighborhood. I've got other shit to worry about.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

It's a natural right to own a device that didn't exist until the 16th century? Wow you're so wise.

Lost.

 

[45ACP]

Lost.

We know you are.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

We know you are.

How does it feel to be scurred of everything?:redface:

 

[45ACP]

How does it feel to be scurred of everything?:redface:

LOL what do I have to be scared of? I carry a gun. I used to be scared (mostly for my wife's sake) until I became comfortable with my marksmanship and started carrying a firearm regularly.

You're one of the guys so terrified and distrusting of people in general that you want to take guns away from everyone because you think anyone with a weapon might go nuts and shoot you with it. If that isn't the definition of irrational, paranoid fear I don't know what is.

It must be absolutely horrifying for you knowing that there are people you pass on the street everyday concealed carrying that might kill you if you look at them wrong. Grow a pair already.

 

[UpaLoompa]

LOL what do I have to be scared of? I carry a gun. I used to be scared (mostly for my wife's sake) until I became comfortable with my marksmanship and started carrying a firearm regularly.

So fear is still guiding your behavior.
If you had some trauma in your past, fine but recognize it isn't a rational fear that's guiding your behavior.

 

[Uchi Mata]

LOL what do I have to be scared of? I carry a gun. I used to be scared (mostly for my wife's sake) until I became comfortable with my marksmanship and started carrying a firearm regularly.

You're one of the guys so terrified and distrusting of people in general that you want to take guns away from everyone because you think anyone with a weapon might go nuts and shoot you with it. If that isn't the definition of irrational, paranoid fear I don't know what is.

It must be absolutely horrifying for you knowing that there are people you pass on the street everyday concealed carrying that might kill you if you look at them wrong. Grow a pair already.

I don't distrust people in general, I distrust anyone who feels the need to carry a gun around with them all the time who isn't in law enforcement. So...you.

 

[RIPWarrior]

I don't distrust people in general, I distrust anyone who feels the need to carry a gun around with them all the time who isn't in law enforcement. So...you.

You don't think guns should be taken away from people, even men in a militia. Are you trying to convince people they're crazy becuase they don't think like you?

 

[Throttlehead]

To be fair, you did start a debate in a public forum. That means you don't get to pick and choose who participates.

And do you even know what the debate was about?

Since you made this post, not ONE post has anything to do with the debate. I wasn't trying to pick and chose, I was trying to tell guys like RR to stay on topic or go to a thread where his posts had input.

 

[oldshadow]

I don't distrust people in general, I distrust anyone who feels the need to carry a gun around with them all the time who isn't in law enforcement. So...you.

That's fine and in any place you have control of you can exclude anyone that might be armed. You can ask all you friends and the parents of your children's playmates if they have guns and not all you children around them. You can make it a point to only patronize places that do not allow guns. You can even move some place that gun ownership is not allowed. This all up to you so you can live your life the way you wish.

And as a gin owner that carries (not all but a lot of the time) I would respect your really gets and I want to have my rights respected also.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

LOL what do I have to be scared of? I carry a gun.

Oh man I guess that makes you 10 feet tall and bullet proof. nothing will ever happen to you now.

I used to be scared (mostly for my wife's sake) until I became comfortable with my marksmanship and started carrying a firearm regularly.

Hilarious. First you say youre not scared that you have a gun then admit you 'Used to be scurred'.

Dont be scurred homey :wink:

You're one of the guys so terrified and distrusting of people in general that you want to take guns away from everyone because you think anyone with a weapon might go nuts and shoot you with it. If that isn't the definition of irrational, paranoid fear I don't know what is.

Hilarious straw man considering I never stated I wanted to take guns away from people.

All Ive suggested is that Murka should have stricter regulations so morans with mental health problems cant just walk into Walmart or Billy Bobs gun shack and buy a gun with their Hot Pockets, and that there should be stiffer penalties for people who commit gun crimes.

But you gun lovers hear this and get all scurred again and say stupid zhit like Byron 'They iz racists against mah guns'.

No wonder people cant take your arguments seriously.

It must be absolutely horrifying for you knowing that there are people you pass on the street everyday concealed carrying that might kill you if you look at them wrong. Grow a pair already.

LOL you grow a pair puzzy bish.

I dont need to walk around with a gun on me all the time to make me feel like a man. I have enough going on in my life to where my entire identity doesnt revolve around being scurred 24/7 and thinking I have to prove something to the world. Puzzies like you dont have any balls so they have to compensate by buying some steel courage instead. :wink:

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

LOL you grow a pair puzzy bish.

I dont need to walk around with a gun on me all the time to make me feel like a man.

Throwing out anonymous insults does it for you?

 

[Throttlehead]

So what are people's feelings on the Armatix smart gun technology?

http://www.armatix.us/?L=7

You have to wear a watch or bracelet to fire the gun, using RFID technology. If the watch is farther than 10 inches from gun, the firearm will not work.

 

[Uchi Mata]

You don't think guns should be taken away from people, even men in a militia. Are you trying to convince people they're crazy becuase they don't think like you?

I'm not really trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm just expressing my viewpoint. I certainly don't expect to change anyone's minds. The battle lines on guns are typically drawn pretty early in people's lives I think, guns are either something you grow up around and like or something you were taught to avoid as dangerous. Not always true, but I think it describes the roots of most people's feelings on guns.

 

[Uchi Mata]

That's fine and in any place you have control of you can exclude anyone that might be armed. You can ask all you friends and the parents of your children's playmates if they have guns and not all you children around them. You can make it a point to only patronize places that do not allow guns. You can even move some place that gun ownership is not allowed. This all up to you so you can live your life the way you wish.

And as a gin owner that carries (not all but a lot of the time) I would respect your really gets and I want to have my rights respected also.

I don't see how I can disrespect your rights. As much as gun owners fear it, confiscation isn't happening. I'm certainly not going to personally try to take your guns away. Though I think it's worth noting that you clearly think of guns in terms of individual rights, whereas I think of guns in terms largely of collective harm to society. Very few individual gun owners are problematic by themselves, but the prevalence of guns in society as a whole I believe is. But there's not really a way to solve the collective problem without infringing what most gun owners feel are their very broad 2nd amendment rights. So yeah, I could move somewhere with harsh gun laws, but as long as there's a city next door with loose gun laws it does me no good. That's why I'm not in favor of most gun control measures that are proposed, because they won't do any good against crime. You need really strong medicine that hits producers and sellers and that basically makes the sale of certain kinds of guns (handguns, mostly) totally illegal if you want to reduce shootings, but the US will never do that. It's probably not legal anyway as much as I'd like it to be.

So yeah, I respect your rights in the sense that I'm not going to take your gun away (not that I could, since you have...a gun), but if I could limit that right by changing the constitution and do something like ban and confiscate handguns I would. That's the only sort of gun control that would have a meaningful impact, anything else is just for show.