Armatix Smart Gun

[Stoic1]

Is that people are suggesting in the video??

I thought it was people being scared of that, not that it has been suggested.

Honestly didn't watch video. I have seen the debate come up a few times over the last few years. But as referenced earlier we have states with laws on the books that will, effectively, do just what I fear. Suddenly all new guns being sold must be sold with the new technology.

(BTW that shit won't be cheap - and that will disenfranchise many of the demographic that need firearms the most)

 

[HIMBOB]

Yeah I know right, some idiot was trying to say "The best defense is a good offense"

 

[HIMBOB]

Honestly didn't watch video. I have seen the debate come up a few times over the last few years. But as referenced earlier we have states with laws on the books that will, effectively, do just what I fear. Suddenly all new guns being sold must be sold with the new technology.

(BTW that shit won't be cheap - and that will disenfranchise many of the demographic that need firearms the most)

With roughly 1/3 of a billion guns without this tech I wouldn't be to concerned about it.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Frankly, I don't trust you to have that much power.

This somewhat proves my theory:

The anti-gun position is primarily an anti-individual position.

It's the idea that no individual should have such power over life or death (even in the instance of self-defense), and should only look to the collective (i.e. Government) in such matters.

I am a rational, competent individual, and I will take whatever measures necessary to keep myself, and my family safe. If it means I have to violate impositions of the collective, so be it.


Also, Uchi, I'm well aware of your statements (with about 30 caveats) that your reluctantly willing to concede that individuals have a right to self-defense. That dose not make your quoted statement above any less anti-individual.

 

[Stoic1]

With roughly 1/3 of a billion guns without this tech I wouldn't be to concerned about it.

Bro, I don't own 1/3 of a billion guns. Yet. LOL.

There is so much cool shit being produced these days I really don't want to be dictated that I need training wheels on my toys. You know what I'm saying?

Like....don't fuckin install an interlock device into my car to prevent future DUI's. I don't drink and drive. I know it's for the safety of the children and all - but FFS, man. Let's swing the pendulum back towards a stronger sense of personal responsibility.

 

[Snackbar]

lol, thinking you're a moron makes me a liberal? Now I know why you're so afraid of liberals; they must be everywhere!

I've already explained this very simple concept to you in this post: http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/94833283-post122.html

You also seem to be under the impression that this technology is being forced onto you by the state, despite that not being the case. Who told you to be so afraid of safety technology? Was it Rush?

At what point did i say this is being forced on anyone? When did i say i am afraid of safety technology?

I know your a liberal because you think combating gun violence causation is for "morons".

So in your next gem of a post, after you spout out a bunch of lame insults, please take even half a fucking paragraph to explain how a wristband is more effective than fixing the mental health issues that lead to gun crime.

 

[oldshadow]

With roughly 1/3 of a billion guns without this tech I wouldn't be to concerned about it.

I would and am if the law requires only new guns with this on it could be sold.

I have no problem with people modifying their weapon as they see fit but don't make everyone do it.

 

[Scrody]

Yeah I know right, some idiot was trying to say "The best defense is a good offense"

So situational awareness is key to defense, what do you do after that? Fill the room with uppercuts or ask the perp to quit it?

 

[ABACA]

Yes but if it has an auto mandatory kick in like NJ on the first sale then until the law is repealed gun people will try to convince dealers not to sell it if they want future business.

And the dealers in NJ clearly won't sell it, either, unless they wan to lose the majority of their business to dealers in neighboring states. Of course that's a mute point because this NJ law will never be enforced and if it was would quickly be struck down in court.

 

[ABACA]

At what point did i say this is being forced on anyone? When did i say i am afraid of safety technology?

I know your a liberal because you think combating gun violence causation is for "morons".

So in your next gem of a post, after you spout out a bunch of lame insults, please take even half a fucking paragraph to explain how a wristband is more effective than fixing the mental health issues that lead to gun crime.

So you actually have no reason to be against this technology, then.

Do you think that implementing this technology is somehow preventing treatment of mental health issues and if we could only prevent this technology from being used, mental health problems would go away?

Not to mention, even in a world without mental health issues, gun accidents would still exist.

 

[Snackbar]

So you actually have no reason to be against this technology, then.

Do you think that implementing this technology is somehow preventing treatment of mental health issues and if we could only prevent this technology from being used, mental health problems would go away?

Not to mention, even in a world without mental health issues, gun accidents would still exist.

Dodge noted. Lets move on

 

[ABACA]

Dodge noted. Lets move on

Yep, you can't explain why you're against this safety technology, but its my dodge.

 

[Snackbar]

Yep, you can't explain why you're against this safety technology, but its my dodge.

Im against this safety technology because it will not prevent criminals from using firearms. It wont prevent irresponsible gun owners from taping the rfid to the stock and leaving a loaded firearm on the table, thus it wont prevent in home accidents. Again, money and effort spent on this technology would be better spent on education and mental health programs.

I feel like a broken record here.

I answered your question in full now please do the same for me without the filler bs.

How is any safety technology more effective than combating gun crime causation??

 

[ABACA]

Once again I present to you this post: http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/94833283-post122.html

You feel like a broken record because you're an idiot who does not learn.

We put fences on bridges not because they prevent 100% of all falling deaths from bridges, but because they prevent between 0% and 100% of falling deaths.

If we only implemented safety measures that were 100% effective, we would not implement any safety measures because none are 100% effective.

This is a device made by a electronics company, not a public health policy implemented by the state. That the money would be "better spent..." is irrelevant, the investors in armatrix wouldn't spend their money on public health initiatives.

Further, there are many situations in which this safety measure is a more effective risk mitigation measure than improved mental health treatment, such as in a household with children, but not with people suffering from mental health issues.

Also, why would someone spend money on this product only to tape the rfid to the stock? This makes no sense to do, but even if done, the weapon would be no more dangerous than it would be if it did not have the safety measure at all.

So once again, you sound like a broken record because you keep on spewing dumb nonsense, and refuse to learn when you are corrected.

Also, gun crime is a minority of gun related deaths - http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/24/suicides-account-for-most-gun-deaths/

So from a public health policy, it is not even the most important issue to tackle. If you want to discuss the reasons for gun crime and how to prevent it, that's for another thread. This is a thread about a specific safety measure that isn't meant to address gun crime.

Also, we are able to apply multiple risk mitigation measures to a given problem. I do not understand why you have a hard time understanding that there are multiple ways to mitigate a risk.

 

[Snackbar]

Once again I present to you this post: http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/94833283-post122.html

You feel like a broken record because you're an idiot who does not learn.

We put fences on bridges not because they prevent 100% of all falling deaths from bridges, but because they prevent between 0% and 100% of falling deaths.

If we only implemented safety measures that were 100% effective, we would not implement any safety measures because none are 100% effective.

This is a device made by a electronics company, not a public health policy implemented by the state. That the money would be "better spent..." is irrelevant, the investors in armatrix wouldn't spend their money on public health initiatives.

Further, there are many situations in which this safety measure is a more effective risk mitigation measure than improved mental health treatment, such as in a household with children, but not with people suffering from mental health issues.

Also, why would someone spend money on this product only to tape the rfid to the stock? This makes no sense to do, but even if done, the weapon would be no more dangerous than it would be if it did not have the safety measure at all.

So once again, you sound like a broken record because you keep on spewing dumb nonsense, and refuse to learn when you are corrected.

Your a lost cause.

I continue to answer your question concisely and you skirt with this bullshit. Im done. Pat yourself on the back

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

That the money would be "better spent..." is irrelevant, the investors in armatrix wouldn't spend their money on public health initiatives.

I wonder if they'll spend money on lobbyists in an attempt to make their product mandatory.

 

[Byron Carter]

I wonder if they'll spend money on lobbyists in an attempt to make their product mandatory.

They already have. Hundreds of millions of dollars have gone into trying to make this shit mandatory.

 

[HIMBOB]

So situational awareness is key to defense, what do you do after that? Fill the room with uppercuts or ask the perp to quit it?

Leave.

 

[HIMBOB]

They already have. Hundreds of millions of dollars have gone into trying to make this shit mandatory.

??????

 

[Scrody]

Leave.

What if you can't?