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I’ve said it before but if Bernie was the dem nominee in 2016 Trump would’ve never touched the presidency and we’d be in a very different timeline right now.
Well, you would have been wrong then, and history didn't change by time moving forward. He lost to Hillary in counties where Hillary lost to Trump. He wasn't even as popular with Democrats, much less independents or centrist Republicans, in all of those battleground areas.

Dems would have lost the popular vote if he'd been the candidate.
 
The great victory of Trump was winning the politically disengaged( i.e. ignorant cynics).

This why almost to a man anyone who says they're "centrist" or that they don't pick sides carries water for Trump.


I feel like I was forced to carry water for Trump. I'm not a centrist but the democrats have gotten too far away from where I'm at and I feel like saying no on election day was the only option I had to send the message ....which I don't think they received.

It is my hope that with some time off the democrats will change some things but I'm not super hopeful.
 
I feel like I was forced to carry water for Trump.
Funny because I feel the opposite. I have my disagreement with Dems but the GOP nominated an authoritarian who ran on subverting the Constitution and aboyt two months in we're already looking at a possible Constitutional crisis.

If I'm being honest I think people like you are grasping for reasons to justify your vote for Trump because you just like the guy despite his obvious flaws because on the merits it makes little sense.
 
I’ve said it before but if Bernie was the dem nominee in 2016 Trump would’ve never touched the presidency and we’d be in a very different timeline right now.
IF the lying do nothing corporate wing of the democratic party were there to serve the will of the people and backed bernie and NPR and many other mainstream news organizations had not lied and slandered and obfuscated his positions then he would have absolutely trounced trump and we would be in a better, more free country and would have restored and improved our democracy and integrity as a nation.

that moment when the dems tanked Bernie was THE pivotal moment in our history and I said then that it would lead to violence in the streets and I still think it will. I think we are headed for serious trouble and its all linked to the Bernie/Hillary primary and the fucking disaster her loss to trump has created.

but we chose barrabas.
 
Funny because I feel the opposite. I have my disagreement with Dems but the GOP nominated an authoritarian who ran on subverting the Constitution and aboyt two months in we're already looking at a possible Constitutional crisis.

If I'm being honest I think people like you are grasping for reasons to justify your vote for Trump because you just like the guy despite his obvious flaws because on the merits it makes little sense.


Well your take of at least me is wrong. I can't stand the guy. But at the moment I'm even madder at the democrats. You might not agree with that position but I'm not lying about where I'm at.

And I don't think that the left has any room to talk about democracy and authoritarianism after the shit they pulled the last election. I don't understand why that part of trying to subvert the will of the people doesn't have you as up in arms. Skipping giving us any sort of say and just trying to make vice president dei the leader of the free world pissed me off and was a bridge too far for me. And playing weekend at bernies with biden til the charade absolutely fell apart displeased me a great deal as well.
 
I’ve said it before but if Bernie was the dem nominee in 2016 Trump would’ve never touched the presidency and we’d be in a very different timeline right now.

Bernie bent over and kissed the rings of Hillary in 2016 and Biden in 2020 after getting screwed by the DNC's power-brokers, and you think he would have done well against Trump?

'Democratic Socialism' polls well amongst the Democrats and younger people. With everyone else its a 'hard no.'
 
I’ve said it before but if Bernie was the dem nominee in 2016 Trump would’ve never touched the presidency and we’d be in a very different timeline right now.
And it was retarded then too. If you're too radical to win a democrat primary, then you sure as hell don't have any chance in a general. There's a reason candidates act like radical nutjobs in their primary, then pivot and pretend to be moderates in the general. Turns out doubling everybody's taxes only appeals to people who don't pay them.






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And it was retarded then too. If you're too radical to win a democrat primary, then you sure as hell don't have any chance in a general. There's a reason candidates act like radical nutjobs in their primary, then pivot and pretend to be moderates in the general. Turns out doubling everybody's taxes only appeals to people who don't pay them.






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I don’t mind the healthcare spending or education spending, but get that green new deal shit outta here
 
Well your take of at least me is wrong. I can't stand the guy. But at the moment I'm even madder at the democrats. You might not agree with that position but I'm not lying about where I'm at.

And I don't think that the left has any room to talk about democracy and authoritarianism after the shit they pulled the last election. I don't understand why that part of trying to subvert the will of the people doesn't have you as up in arms. Skipping giving us any sort of say and just trying to make vice president dei the leader of the free world pissed me off and was a bridge too far for me. And playing weekend at bernies with biden til the charade absolutely fell apart displeased me a great deal as well.
To try to equate a political party making a last minute decision on the nomination to Trump trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after losing an election is insane to me, there's absolutely no comparison there. I didn't even like Kamala at first but when I voted for Biden I voted for the Biden-Harris ticket which implies Harris takes over in case Biden can't continue, there's nothing anti-democratic about that.

Meanwhile you voted for a guy who tried to steal an election because you didn't want a "DEI" candidate and predictably he's running roughshod over the Constitution.
 
Well your take of at least me is wrong. I can't stand the guy. But at the moment I'm even madder at the democrats. You might not agree with that position but I'm not lying about where I'm at.

And I don't think that the left has any room to talk about democracy and authoritarianism after the shit they pulled the last election. I don't understand why that part of trying to subvert the will of the people doesn't have you as up in arms. Skipping giving us any sort of say and just trying to make vice president dei the leader of the free world pissed me off and was a bridge too far for me. And playing weekend at bernies with biden til the charade absolutely fell apart displeased me a great deal as well.
So you chose to vote for an absolute disgrace of a human being in protest? I'd love to be a fly on the wall if you were to sit down with some of your musical heroes and explain this..
 
So you chose to vote for an absolute disgrace of a human being in protest? I'd love to be a fly on the wall if you were to sit down with some of your musical heroes and explain this..

Yes the scrutiny from a bunch if hypocrites, woman beaters and sexual predators and dudes who straight up abandoned their families would be too much for me to bear.

I'm not 17 any more and I've met and been let down by almost all of my childhood heros already.

If you see Justin hiding out over there by all means send him my way and tell him I'd love to talk. I've got a special place of hate reserved in my heart for him already. Fuckin fair weather friend deluxe and the worst hypocrite of them all.


And this is exactly what my issue is. I'm required to vote Democrat no matter what and for what ? Just like my punk heros of yesteryear they say one thing and behind closed doors do another and don't seem to believe in anything they say they do. Fuck that.

Am I required to be the same person I was at 15 because I love ska or what ?
 
He's not gonna bring in the male vote. He's too much of a beta. He's got nothing but old white ladies behind him.
 
The crowds are growing....




It’s a dark time for left-of-center Americans. The Democratic Party’s reputation is in tatters, even with its own base. Progressive activists and groups are protesting President Donald Trump’s authoritarian seizure of the federal government’s administrative operations, but their crowds lack the size and vigor of his first term.

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., has stepped into the void with a national “Stopping Oligarchy” tour. He’s visiting Republican-held districts in swing states and red states, and he’s drawing big and energetic crowds with little lead-up time. “He drew a crowd of 4,000 in Kenosha, Wisconsin, on Friday night. He faced another 2,600 or so the next morning a few hours away in Altoona, Wisconsin, a town of less than 10,000 residents,” The Associated Press reports. “And his crowd of 9,000 in suburban Detroit exceeded his own team’s expectations.”

The popularity of Sanders’ tour is an indicator that, even during a time of rock-bottom morale on the left, there remains an appetite for combative and progressive populism. And while Sanders’ speeches sound a lot like the ones he’s delivered his entire career, their enduring popularity suggest a model the Democratic Party establishment needs to emulate to pull out of its tailspin.

Sanders’ anti-oligarchy tour is a kind of return to form for the independent and democratic socialist. Between the end of his 2020 presidential campaign and Joe Biden’s departure from the White House, Sanders was absorbed into the Democratic Party establishment and served primarily as a surrogate for Biden’s Build Back Better agenda. Now he’s looking quite a lot like he did as an insurgent presidential candidate. That isn’t to say that Sanders has White House ambitions in 2028 — he’s 83 years old and says his current term is likely his last in the Senate. But he is returning to what he knows best: gravitating toward the people and stoking grassroots energy.

There are a few things Sanders is doing well that Democrats in Washington ought to pay attention to. Sanders is using the theme of oligarchy and class domination as an overarching message. “We are here to say loudly and clearly that in our great nation we will not accept oligarchy,” Sanders said to the roaring crowd in Kenosha last week. “We will not accept authoritarianism. We will not accept kleptocracy. We’re here to make it clear that we are going to fight back and we are going to win.”

Oooooo 9,000 people?

lol Trump pulls that in a town of 1000 people
Ridiculous
 
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