Social Are you starting to feel the Bern?

[Sweater of AV]

AOC's a bit of a mess but what the hell, let's see where this goes.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

He had his day in 2016. He lost a lot of his male supporters after eating shit from BLM, believing Jussie and walking back his "tough on immigration" stance after the slightest hint of pressure.

He really probably would've won back then because he had the weed bros like Joe Rogan backing him. But Dems decided to go with the disaster that was Hillary Clinton instead (arguably the most "uncool" person on the planet), which opened up this timeline where we are still stuck with Donald freakin' Trump, in 2025.

Where do ya'll get this stuff from?
Just making up stories.

 

[TheGreatA]

Where do ya'll get this stuff from?
Just making up stories.

All the Joe Rogan bro types jumped ship to Trump once they saw that.

He just wasn't the guy to fight against "woke" ideology and cancel culture.

 

[PG29 red0 Jr]

I grew up in the early 90s. At that time lots of kids I went to school with had just escaped the eastern bloc after the colapse of the soviet union.

I will never "feel the bern".

 

[Michaelangelo]

He couldn’t even manage a microphone away from 2 repugnant hoes, he has no chance against other world leaders

 

[Rob Battisti]

Remember her?

How could I forget?

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Damn. Thought this thread was gonna be about that city in Switzerland. Can’t think of the name right now.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

All the Joe Rogan bro types jumped ship to Trump once they saw that.

He just wasn't the guy to fight against "woke" ideology and cancel culture.

Where are you getting this information?
The only people that "jumped ship" on Bernie after watching a video of two dumb protestors take over his mic for 30 seconds are people that weren't voting anyways.
It's only right wingers that keep bringing up that same video over and over so that they can call him a cuck.

There is no serious person that is registered to vote that changed their vote because Bernie didn't clothesline 2 fat loudmouth chicks, or have them arrested.
His message hasn't changed.

There was no Bernie ship to board after he loss the primary. That was due to the Democratic party, not "Joe Rogan bros jumping ship to Trump". How much do you generally hear from presidential candidates that lose ? They usually disappear.
Bernie's message wasn't about "woke" ideology. He always focused on class.
He was targeted by BLM and other groups because they said he didn't talk enough about race.

 

[TheGreatA]

Where are you getting this information?
The only people that "jumped ship" on Bernie after watching a video of two dumb protestors take over his mic for 30 seconds are people that weren't voting anyways.
It's only right wingers that keep bringing up that same video over and over so that they can call him a cuck.

There is no serious person that is registered to vote that changed their vote because Bernie didn't clothesline 2 fat loudmouth chicks, or have them arrested.
His message hasn't changed.

There was no Bernie ship to board after he loss the primary. That was due to the Democratic party, not "Joe Rogan bros jumping ship to Trump". How much do you generally hear from presidential candidates that lose ? They usually disappear.
Bernie's message wasn't about "woke" ideology. He always focused on class.
He was targeted by BLM and other groups because they said he didn't talk enough about race.

Never said it was. But like I said, he was weak on that ideology. He wouldn't have had enough push-back against the most extreme ideologues, and he would have walked on egg-shells the whole time in order to not offend these people, thus ultimately becoming their enabler.

That's why the interest in this guy waned over time. He just wasn't the guy to lead the U.S. forward, going into the 2020's.

If he had stood up, and if he had shown himself to be a guy who was more of an individual with strong principles who wasn't going to be a push-over for anybody, I think the interest in him would have only kept building up more and more over the years.

It was speeches like this that admittedly got me and most likely a lot of other people such as myself (with conservative leanings) interested in the guy:



There's so many people who have said that they went from Bern to Trump and these types of speeches are the reason for it. Both guys first appeared as strong defenders of the concept of a nation-state, over what was then the main-line "globalist" view (which has pretty much been soundly rejected all over the world by this point). But then he walked it all back and you realized that he was kind of just another career bureaucrat who would tow the main line when needed to.

 

[Sweater of AV]

 

[deviake]

Never said it was. But like I said, he was weak on that ideology. He wouldn't have had enough push-back against the most extreme ideologues, and he would have walked on egg-shells the whole time in order to not offend these people, thus ultimately becoming their enabler.

That's why the interest in this guy waned over time. He just wasn't the guy to lead the U.S. forward, going into the 2020's.

If he had stood up, and if he had shown himself to be a guy who was more of an individual with strong principles who wasn't going to be a push-over for anybody, I think the interest in him would have only kept building up more and more over the years.

It was speeches like this that admittedly got me and most likely a lot of other people such as myself (with conservative leanings) interested in the guy:



There's so many people who have said that they went from Bern to Trump and these types of speeches are the reason for it. Both guys first appeared as strong defenders of the concept of a nation-state, over what was then the main-line "globalist" view (which has pretty much been soundly rejected all over the world by this point). But then he walked it all back and you realized that he was kind of just another career bureaucrat who would tow the main line when needed to.

He's anything but weak on ideology, he's the most ideologically consistent politician that's in US politics right meow. The main criticism of him after losing primaries was his support of the Democratic candidates who supplanted him with the help of the DNC.

There's still high interest in him, given the turnout for these townhalls.

Bernie and Trump both come across as authentic, the difference is Trump is literally a convicted conman, a sleazy business criminal, used car salesmen who is openly anti-labor, Bernie isn't though many, myself included, have argued that he shouldn't have capitulated to the Democratic establishment the way he did and that he has his flaws. Unfortunately yes, he did tow the line for the Democrats and without getting enough concessions in return in my opinion.

 

[TheGreatA]

He's anything but weak on ideology, he's the most ideologically consistent politician that's in US politics right meow. The main criticism of him after losing primaries was his support of the Democratic candidates who supplanted him with the help of the DNC.

There's still high interest in him, given the turnout for these townhalls.

Bernie and Trump both come across as authentic, the difference is Trump is literally a convicted conman, a sleazy business criminal, used car salesmen who is openly anti-labor, Bernie isn't though many, myself included, have argued that he shouldn't have capitulated to the Democratic establishment the way he did and that he has his flaws. Unfortunately yes, he did tow the line for the Democrats and without getting enough concessions in return in my opinion.

I'm saying he was weak on pushing back against woke ideology and their whackiest ideas, and the far left in general, probably because he has some underlying sympathies as an old hippie, even if he does not necessarily agree with them.

Even Obama showed more pushback by calling out college kids for no longer being willing to debate each other.

Trump is what he is but he "took the fight" to those people, and it's quite obvious by now that he has won that fight, to the approval of most of the public. As far as I can see it, Bernie's platform probably would've been more popular for the average Joe than Trump's, but he shied away from confrontation and didn't come off as enough of a "people's champion". He never contested any of the blatant BS that was pulled on him, and he went along with various race-baiting hoaxes that any half-wit knew to be complete bullshit.

All of that stuff just gradually eroded his credibility until he was no longer a player on the main stage.

 

[deviake]

I'm saying he was weak on pushing back against woke ideology and their whackiest ideas, and the far left in general, probably because he has some underlying sympathies as an old hippie, even if he does not necessarily agree with them.

Even Obama showed more pushback by calling out college kids for no longer being willing to debate each other.

Trump is what he is but he "took the fight" to those people, and it's quite obvious by now that he has won that fight, to the approval of most of the public. As far as I can see it, Bernie's platform probably would've been more popular for the average Joe than Trump's, but he shied away from confrontation and didn't come off as enough of a "people's champion".

Trump got 77.3 million votes, Harris got 75 million. 90 million eligible voters didn't vote. I wouldn't call that most of the public.

I think I know what you mean by woke ideology but I'm not sure. There is no far left in mainstream US politics, I guess unless you're referring to identity politics specifically. That's not why Bernie lost, regardless though liberal/left identity politics did jump the shark there for awhile. See Hillary Clinton saying, paraphrased "Will breaking up the banks stop racism?", a statement that still makes me die inside.

I think Bernie lost first and foremast thanks to the Democratic establishment who fought him harder than they do Republicans. I agree though, he shouldn't have capitulated, he didn't have enough fight in him when it came to the Democratics. I cringed every time he called Joe Biden his "good friend".

 

[Stoic1]

The pendulum is swinging to the right. This far left bullshit is driving a lot of their base away.

If the DNC doesn't find a more moderate, centrist candidate soon they are going to get blown out. Socialist Bernie isn't going to take Vance.

Neither is crazy eyes. Or Extreme Hakeem. Or tampon Tim.

 

[Islam Imamate]

The crowds are growing....

Bernie Sanders' anti-oligarchy tour offers a sorely needed lesson for Democrats

The socialist firebrand is drawing big crowds in GOP-held districts — and wisely focusing on a message of class unity.

www.msnbc.com

It’s a dark time for left-of-center Americans. The Democratic Party’s reputation is in tatters, even with its own base. Progressive activists and groups are protesting President Donald Trump’s authoritarian seizure of the federal government’s administrative operations, but their crowds lack the size and vigor of his first term.

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., has stepped into the void with a national “Stopping Oligarchy” tour. He’s visiting Republican-held districts in swing states and red states, and he’s drawing big and energetic crowds with little lead-up time. “He drew a crowd of 4,000 in Kenosha, Wisconsin, on Friday night. He faced another 2,600 or so the next morning a few hours away in Altoona, Wisconsin, a town of less than 10,000 residents,” The Associated Press reports. “And his crowd of 9,000 in suburban Detroit exceeded his own team’s expectations.”

The popularity of Sanders’ tour is an indicator that, even during a time of rock-bottom morale on the left, there remains an appetite for combative and progressive populism. And while Sanders’ speeches sound a lot like the ones he’s delivered his entire career, their enduring popularity suggest a model the Democratic Party establishment needs to emulate to pull out of its tailspin.

Sanders’ anti-oligarchy tour is a kind of return to form for the independent and democratic socialist. Between the end of his 2020 presidential campaign and Joe Biden’s departure from the White House, Sanders was absorbed into the Democratic Party establishment and served primarily as a surrogate for Biden’s Build Back Better agenda. Now he’s looking quite a lot like he did as an insurgent presidential candidate. That isn’t to say that Sanders has White House ambitions in 2028 — he’s 83 years old and says his current term is likely his last in the Senate. But he is returning to what he knows best: gravitating toward the people and stoking grassroots energy.

There are a few things Sanders is doing well that Democrats in Washington ought to pay attention to. Sanders is using the theme of oligarchy and class domination as an overarching message. “We are here to say loudly and clearly that in our great nation we will not accept oligarchy,” Sanders said to the roaring crowd in Kenosha last week. “We will not accept authoritarianism. We will not accept kleptocracy. We’re here to make it clear that we are going to fight back and we are going to win.”

I'm happy that Bernie is standing up to the Trump regime but I can't say I'm really on board with the class warfare messaging. The problem isn't billionaires, its authoritarianism. The billionaires are falling in line because they fear retaliation from the regime. Regime stooges like Dave Rubin and Tim Pool who got paid $5 million by the Russians to spout their propaganda are more of a problem than some movie executive who gets rich funding superhero movies that people willingly pay to see.

 

[no fat chicks]

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So then what Bernie is proposing isn't socialism? Are you regarded?

 

[Madmick]

Madcan is feeling the Bern.

You should google Tony Hinchcliffe.

Okay, hit me up tomorrow when 13 slackers assemble outside the gas n' sip in bumfuckwherever and get their hands on a bullhorn all hyped over how Bernie is gonna shove it to the man despite just failing this past week to inspire the Democrats to show enough spine to stonewall Trump's budget.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

So then what Bernie is proposing isn't socialism? Are you regarded?

 

[ocfightfan]

Bernie is a fraud

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Isn't Bernie Sanders like 173 years old?