Are you for or against electric vehicles?

[Thrawn33]

Currently I'm "against" because we don't have the infrastructure for them despite how hard they're being pushed, and the tech isn't resilient enough.

In 10 years maybe.

 

[RightToBareKnuckles]

for people concerned about the supply or bad working conditions of mining things like cobalt, there is a battery alternative called LFP (lithium iron phosphate). LFP battery has lower energy density, but does better with cold temps and some other advantages

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/why-ford-betting-lfp-batteries-204100403.html

 

[RightToBareKnuckles]

Currently I'm "against" because we don't have the infrastructure for them despite how hard they're being pushed, and the tech isn't resilient enough.

In 10 years maybe.

I've never taken a road trip in one, but have seen the struggles people have with long trips. Currently a lot of charging stations are at places like car dealerships, but they need to be right off the highway just like regular gas stations.

 

[Idonotbelieveit]

No when I drive I want to hear the engine

 

[Idonotbelieveit]

My boss has an electric porshe and it is quick. Especially of the bat. But inside its plain looks shit for 120k car and you can't hear it

And only do 200 miles then charge

 

[Idonotbelieveit]

I don’t believe there will be a time where we can fully transition to electric cars. So, I’m against

Why? It's already started. 50 years or so will be all electric Imo

 

[TeTe]

My boss has an electric porshe and it is quick. Especially of the bat. But inside its plain looks shit for 120k car and you can't hear it

And only do 200 miles then charge

The inside of a model S is plain as shit too. They don't even put real leather in it.

Or you could spend 100k on a new 7 series BMW which has a gorgeous interior.

 

[Idonotbelieveit]

The inside of a model S is plain as shit too. They don't even put real leather in it.

Or you could spend 100k on a new 7 series BMW which has a gorgeous interior.

60's mustang car awesome now imagine 50 years time when probably all cars electric ..for me car is engine noise I have z4 bmw. And noise is great when put foot down

 

[Rob Battisti]

Why? It's already started. 50 years or so will be all electric Imo

There isn’t a strong enough grid and there aren’t enough deposits of required materials.

 

[Brandon Wilson]

For them. My wife drives a Leaf, side it's been a good car for us for the past 3.5 years.

I do believe the tech has to improve exponentially though if they want them to became the norm rather than the exception. Charging times are way too long, and fast charging kills the batteries.

 

[west42]

There's a Marion 8700 walking dragline in Hazelton pa that's been started up again to mine anthracite. Probably to mine coal to power the ev's that will save us from fossil fuels

 

[GSP_37]

I think the TV just reported the % of cars taken out of service (no longer registered) consist of more electric cars than gas cars even though gas cars greatly outnumber electric cars.

 

[William Huggins]

I think the TV just reported the % of cars taken out of service (no longer registered) consist of more electric cars than gas cars even though gas cars greatly outnumber electric cars.

Are we talking about taken out of service due to a crash? Having driven a few I can see why, weight, instant acceleration and the human factor is going to equal right off..... You can't repair the things if there's q sign of battery damage and the cost of a new battery rights them off sometimes as well.

 

[DrVanNostrand]

Charging a phone is annoying enough, let alone a laptop, let alone a car

 

[Aegon Spengler]

If they can help solve climate change, and have no emissions and no effect on people’s lungs, then fuck yes

https://climate.nasa.gov/

For but only cuz they're an improvement environmentally from gasoline, I want car based infrastructure decimated to the point possible and practical. Infrastructure built around everyone owning cars is wildly inefficient, wasteful, and fucks up cities, towns and landscapes. It takes up too much damn space and causes too many problems.

I agree. Cradle to cradle design principles could really change that too, you ever heard of this?

There’s a book called Cradle to Cradle. Makes the point that in nature, often times waste is fuel (fertilizer) for something else. Even a pile of bodies in a field is vulture fuel.

https://epea.com/en/about-us/cradle-to-cradle

 

[SummerStriker]

I'd like to believe they will keep getting better. I wouldnt buy one today though

 

[Prex32]

total scam and environment killer
should be only alternative not mandatory

 

[therealdope]

I"m for PHEVs at the moment. THe battery supply and cost issue could be largely solved by having the battery supply split among more cars that are PHEV. Most people could charge at home for the 40 or 50miles they need to drive in the city that are the most inefficient use of ICEs while having ICEs for highway and long haul travel. With PHEV and home charging it would allow for the infrastructure to be built for EVs.

Environmental issues:

With smaller PHEV batteries we could use slightly less efficient, cheaper and more environmentally friendly materials.

My issue with the environmental spin is that if that was our primary concern, we could make sure that most of the batteries went to India and other developing world urban centers that produce the most carbon emissions. But unfortunately, like a lot of other things, it's not about optimizing for a problem, it's about looking virtuous.

 

[PG29 red0 Jr]

I"m for PHEVs at the moment. THe battery supply and cost issue could be largely solved by having the battery supply split among more cars that are PHEV. Most people could charge at home for the 40 or 50miles they need to drive in the city that are the most inefficient use of ICEs while having ICEs for highway and long haul travel. With PHEV and home charging it would allow for the infrastructure to be built for EVs.

Environmental issues:

With smaller PHEV batteries we could use slightly less efficient, cheaper and more environmentally friendly materials.

My issue with the environmental spin is that if that was our primary concern, we could make sure that most of the batteries went to India and other developing world urban centers that produce the most carbon emissions. But unfortunately, like a lot of other things, it's not about optimizing for a problem, it's about looking virtuous.

This is exactly the best case for most people and their daily commute. I would love to have a PHEV.

This was Toyota's vision for the near future, but the CEO got cancelled for not wanting to go full electric with everything.

 

[TeTe]

This is exactly the best case for most people and their daily commute. I would love to have a PHEV.

This was Toyota's vision for the near future, but the CEO got cancelled for not wanting to go full electric with everything.

I suppose that Japanese OEMs can have a close minded view because they know that regardless of what they build, people will just buy them in Japan. They may lose sales in other countries but Japan is so nationalist they probably don't even care. They figure they'll can pump out a couple EV models just get some market share elsewhere and that's enough. They'll just keep selling hybrids 30 years from now at home.