Opinion Are you favorable to organs harvesting of death sentence inmates ?

the problem i have with this is opening the door for abuse.
what next? not on death row, but 25 to life guy suddenly "gets ill" and dies in prison. yank his organs too?
soon you'll have a dark industry going on.
i dunno, it sounds like the sort of stuff you hear happening in china or places like that.
I understand your point. A corrupt government could harvest innocents organs.

But anyways, this will come soon, perhaps in the next 50/150 years. When everything will be commodified, even justice, this will happen.

Human-rights delusional zealots, coward weak politicians, can only postpone the inevitable. Mankind will get there anyway, so rather get in there in good favorable terms.
 
I understand your point. A corrupt government could harvest innocents organs.

But anyways, this will come soon, perhaps in the next 50/150 years. When everything will be commodified, even justice, this will happen.

Human-rights delusional zealots, coward weak politicians, can only postpone the inevitable. Mankind will get there anyway, so rather get in there in good favorable terms.
in 100 years we will probably be able to grow organs in labs. if the scientific info about that are correct anyway.
 
in 100 years we will probably be able to grow organs in labs. if the scientific info about that are correct anyway.
I won't be so sure about that. It's like nanotechnologies, biotechnologies, and transhumanism.

They said 50 years ago that we will be able to create super humans half robots half human, insane exoskeleton and others blablabla, it's still far from being the case. Predictions coming from enthusiasm is often not realistic. But I can't blame them, enthusiasm is the best way to draw investors into their ventures.

Progress could be made with those artifical organs, you could be right, but I'm sure that in an extremely commodified world that will be the world of tomorrow, the elite will think about haversting organs from death sentence inmates before from labs, who is still an unproven method.
 
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As much as I want to agree with this idea on paper, I don’t think I can. It does sound like a great idea, someone(probably a murderer), would be saving someone’s life. Maybe multiple people. That seems like the best way someone who is guilty of taking a life could repent. BUT, and this is a big but, it would lead to the very perverse incentive of handing out more death sentences. Which nullifies any benefits imo.
 
In theory it sounds like a reasonable idea. In practise though I can imagine it being an awful way to obtain organs. In China reportedly this is done. Criminal put to death will sometimes have their organs harvested by the communist state. The problem is that questionable people are jailed and sentenced to death, with their organs harvested for simply harvesting organs for paying customers. In particular there was a religious group that fell out of favor with the Chinese government a few decades ago. These people caught were placed into prison with reportedly some being sentenced to death for practicing their religion, and then killed for their organs.

there is the other problem too of harvested organs causing recipients to have memories of the the people who gave the organ, and taking on some of their personality traits. this doesn't happen to everyone who receives an organ but from what I've read it does happen. Overall I don't think receiving organs from criminals would be an ideal source.

Hopefully that idea of growing organs in pigs is finally worked out. Remembering pig thoughts wouldn't be ideal but it would be better than recalling a murders memories.
 
Per the Dead Sea Scrolls if an animal killed someone in ancient times they put it to death and didn’t eat the meat.
Feels like that. And theres this.

Studies indicate that heart transplant recipients may exhibit preferences, emotions, and memories resembling those of the donors, suggesting a form of memory storage within the transplanted organ. Mechanisms proposed for this memory transfer include cellular memory, epigenetic modifications, and energetic interactions.
 
The problem is that questionable people are jailed and sentenced to death, with their organs harvested for simply harvesting organs for paying customers. In particular there was a religious group that fell out of favor with the Chinese government a few decades ago. These people caught were placed into prison with reportedly some being sentenced to death for practicing their religion, and then killed for their organs.

Hopefully that idea of growing organs in pigs is finally worked out. Remembering pig thoughts wouldn't be ideal but it would be better than recalling a murders memories.
I understand your point, if a regime is corrupt, innocents would be framed, and sentenced guilty for death sentence not for the purpose of justice but for the purpose of taking their organs, which would be a shame.

But under a fair regime, who would be not corrupt, it won't be an issue. Harvesting organs from dead bodies, is a good thing, as it is a positive externality, for example, Tom is a world class engineer, and he needs an organ, by saving Tom, you saved your country from losing a capable valuable engineer.
 
- No. That would led to a market of organ harvesting. Mans are easily corrupted by money.
 
In theory it sounds like a reasonable idea. In practise though I can imagine it being an awful way to obtain organs. In China reportedly this is done. Criminal put to death will sometimes have their organs harvested by the communist state. The problem is that questionable people are jailed and sentenced to death, with their organs harvested for simply harvesting organs for paying customers. In particular there was a religious group that fell out of favor with the Chinese government a few decades ago. These people caught were placed into prison with reportedly some being sentenced to death for practicing their religion, and then killed for their organs.

there is the other problem too of harvested organs causing recipients to have memories of the the people who gave the organ, and taking on some of their personality traits. this doesn't happen to everyone who receives an organ but from what I've read it does happen. Overall I don't think receiving organs from criminals would be an ideal source.

Hopefully that idea of growing organs in pigs is finally worked out. Remembering pig thoughts wouldn't be ideal but it would be better than recalling a murders memories.
- We dont retain memories of transplanted organs.
 
- No. That would led to a market of organ harvesting. Mans are easily corrupted by money.
There is already a black market of organs, worldwide where people are kidnapped from the streets or lured into isolated area to be harvested, and of willingly donor for a huge paycheck.

It is not about putting innocents men on death sentence for harvesting their organs, or to put more men on death sentence than normal to reach a quota, but simply to replace current methods of execution by the guillotine.

But only to save lives. It is a simple system, but it can be corrupted, I understand your point. However, like it, or not, we will get there sooner or later, perhaps before the next century, so at least get there within favorable terms.

That is what I believe.
 
Overall I don't think receiving organs from criminals would be an ideal source.
Do you know that we harvest organs in the west in most countries from dead people killed in road cars accidents ?
A dead body is a dead body, a dead man in a car accident, or a dead prisoner from guillotine, what does that change ?

In the end, it's about saving lives and bringing external positivities to society. But I agree that a such system could be perverted and corrupted.

The world population is going to increase, more than 10 billions, and with it, the demand for organs, of course the elite and the wealthy will be first, before the common man. The waiting list for organs will only increase with the world population and the rise of diseases.

What do you think will happen ? The organs harvesting economy, black market or not, will bloom. People will be in despair to get the priority on the waiting list. The demand will increase extremely fast, and the people in need not able to obtain organs, their numbers will only cumulate.

For example, in an European country, a guy Tom was on the waiting list for 5 years, Jon was on the waiting list for 3 months, and Jon obtained an organ before Tom. Because of bribe or connection if not both. And the rich could get organs into foreign countries from criminal organizations who has a deep network within healthcare, as organ harvesting needs surgeons, infrastructure with electricity, nurses, and a few others things. You cannot do that from scratch.

Corruption or not, any government would need to satisfy the future rising demand for organs that it will meet, some governments are starting to take organs out of dead bodies from cars accidents, I don't see why they will not take organs from dead sentence inmates.

Basically, the world population will increase, and with it the demand for organs. That's one, two, even without that, the people on the waiting list, unable to obtain organs, due to compatibility issue and due to scarcity issue, will cumulate.

Officials do not know the future they will meet, not yet, so, they will be looking for all methods possible to obtain organs, and eventually, they will, take into consideration inmates facing the capital punishment.
 
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Less cruel than the lethal injection, and the eletric chair, and drowning/suffocation. The guillotine is painless, and swift. Also, the death inmate is dead, it does not change anything for him to have his organs harvested or not.

The inmate in his death, is taken out of the frame, he do not exist anymore in the paint, and others lifes could be saved by his organs. Let's say you have a wife, a daughter, a father, or a brother, or a friend, in need for an organ, hopefully not, but if that was the case, you would perhaps have changed your mind about this field of possibility.
lol dude you aren't making the case at all.
 
I'm not sure why people trust the government so much that they would support giving them the right to murder citizens and harvest their organs.
 
Only if they agree and it doesn’t impact their right to appeals etc.
 
Dude said bring back the guillotine

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No to forced but if they choose like anyone eles if fine.
 
The purpose of this policy is not to execute people for the sake of taking their organs, or to execute more people to meet a quota of organs. You are mistaken.

It's very simple, when you kill a criminal X, pe/dofile, terrorist, serial killer, by lethal injection, or by hanging, or by drowning, or whatever method. Instead of that guillotine him, and take his organs to save lives of people waiting for a donator in the waiting list.

That is harmless and painless. Electricity hurts for 8 to 15 seconds, and a lot. Suffocation, and drowning also, it can last more than a minute of pain. Guillotine is the best method of executing a prisoner in the 21 st century, but that is a detail.

I never said that we will execute more prisoners to harvest their organs, not at all. It is about replacing the current used methods, by the guillotine, who is the cheapest, fastest, and among the only method to allow organ harvestings.

Of course, if the inmate is sane.

The goal of using the guillotine as I said before, is not to supply the demand of organs, but obtain organs from the death sentencing of prisoners.

Less cruel than the lethal injection, and the eletric chair, and drowning/suffocation. The guillotine is painless, and swift. Also, the death inmate is dead, it does not change anything for him to have his organs harvested or not.

The inmate in his death, is taken out of the frame, he do not exist anymore in the paint, and others lifes could be saved by his organs. Let's say you have a wife, a daughter, a father, or a brother, or a friend, in need for an organ, hopefully not, but if that was the case, you would perhaps have changed your mind about this field of possibility.


Let's say 50 terrorists made a terrorist attack, and you want to execute them. Are you going to waste money to prepare 50 lethal injections, or to bother 50 soldiers to shoot them, when you can use a single guillotine to kill them all of them in less than 10 minutes, and at the same time, obtain their organs if sane.

If you were to have a lot of death sentence inmates, you could kill all of them in a single hour. Just saying. Instead of making them wait for years, or kill one once a month, you could just obtain a gain of time.

Organs of inmates could either help save lifes, or be sold in the market, which would generate money, money that could help the country. You do not gain money out of hanging, out of the electric chair, and out of the lethal injection.

This could save families and change lives. It has just a lot of potential. And also, a country could use organs to give them to foreign people in need, for diplomatic leverage, but let's not go that far.
C'mon do really believe that the executed numbers will unchanged? It will decuplicated in a short time, few years, . With sloppy trials and relative quick death sentences. The way to pursuing is the bioengineering for regrowing and rebuilding failed organs instead to harvesting them . I am all for severe penalties for dangerous criminals and muoversi but taking the organs would lead a quick distortion of the whole system.
 
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