Opinion Are you favorable to organs harvesting of death sentence inmates ?

[Ara tech]

Trafficking organs is not legal, of course, we all are aware of that. I quote 'Forced organ harvesting is the illegal practice of surgically removing a victim's organs against their will.'

However, we must concern the issue with inmates facing death sentence. The carceral population is not an asset, but a liability, since their detention, control, surveillance, and feeding cost money.

Saying yes or no to the dead sentence of inmates is another subject that must be debated on it's own.

There are many ways that are used to execute inmates in the 21st century, electirc chair, shooting by assault riffle, hanging, gaz chamber, lethal injection, drowning, and others. The problem with these methods, is that they are costly, and could be often painful to the criminal, to a certain extent which is a detail in itself.

Would it be better to kill inmates with guillotine, the same system that were used by the french during the revolution. The first advantage of the guillotine, is that it is cheap, and easy to set up, the second advantage of the guillotine is that it is fast, enabling the death of hundreds of inmates in a single hour.

But most importantly, the guillotine do not harm internal organs which would enable their harvesting.

For example, getting organs from sane inmates would be a good thing to society, simply because it will be able to save lives of common citizens or to make money by selling those same organs on the market to foreigner, which in both cases, are positive outcomes.

Taking a live to save another or to make money out of it is a good trade to me. Most human-rights zealots would be against that idea, on paper, but what does that change, if a criminal is hanged, killed by eletricity or by guillotine, it does not change anything, and guillotine is the most painless death, among the only method that enable organs harvesting, that would save many lives back.

So, what do you think about it ?

 

[Confucamus]

I see serious ethical problems with this idea. Yes, they are going to die anyways and the crimes they've committed means they forfeit almost all of their rights and don't deserve any sympathy. But they are still human beings and this is a civilized society. They have a right to an appeals process and we've seen plenty of death sentences commuted to life in prison. Forced organ harvesting could result in more death sentences being handed out and increase the rate at which they are executed to keep up with demand.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

How many people we executing that this would be an issue of concern

And even if yes the organs should just go to someone on a wait list

Fuck off wanting to sell them to rich people

 

[The XL]

Forced organ harvesting would almost certainly create a situation where people were unjustly convicted or sentenced as a means to get their organs. Absolutely fucking not.

 

[SandisLL]

Some ppl assume that cheapest way to deal with clients is to put nice electrodes and switch ON current supply, after this body might get feeded in mobile crematorium ...these crematories more often uses LNG or propane/ butane.
Then utilization is hygienic and relatively fast.

Ofc were also ideas to use as fertilizer source in agriculture or to feed biogas production reactor....it might be good addition to manure, waste water treatment sediments etc stuff....to produce biogas.

In old times were ideas to use skin even for books covers, clothing etc....

_^
Different ppl, different ideas....

 

[Osculater]

I say if the inmates agree to donate their organs then I say yes, why not

 

[Ara tech]

I see serious ethical problems with this idea. Yes, they are going to die anyways and the crimes they've committed means they forfeit almost all of their rights and don't deserve any sympathy. But they are still human beings and this is a civilized society. They have a right to an appeals process and we've seen plenty of death sentences commuted to life in prison. Forced organ harvesting could result in more death sentences being handed out and increase the rate at which they are executed to keep up with demand.

I've seen people, having their children, brother, or father, or mother, killing, raping, stealing others people, and defending them during their trial like if they were angels.

On touche pas à la famille, le coup classique.

That's not how things work. A true story, there was a woman, who spent her whole life defending rapists, ped ofiles, and serial killers, to prevent them from getting killed by death sentence, in the name of justice, and human-rights. One day, a rapist ped ofiles raped her daughter child, she went mad and asked for death sentence. Destroying her petty crusade credibility at the same time and her mental health.

Justice is something very complex, that cannot be totally obtained by systems, laws and regulations.

Look, it's not about sympathy. Inmate Joe is getting hanged, for whatever crime, let's say he raped 12 women and killed 3. Instead of hanging him, guillotine him, the results would be the same, his death. Only with the guillotine, you could take Joe's organs, to save Tim and Nana lives.

How is that a bad thing ? Making an inmate spends all of his life in a cell, is simply a cost of money by his feeding. Do you pay taxes to feed rapists and serial killers, or do you pay taxes to live in a better country ?

 

[Ara tech]

Forced organ harvesting would almost certainly create a situation where people were unjustly convicted or sentenced as a means to get their organs. Absolutely fucking not.

That would only happen in a corrupt system, that would neglect justice for profit.

In a corrupt system, you could get death sentenced or incrimined for the rest of your life as an innocent. Inmates could obtain a 7 years period of detention, to allow their lawyers, acquaintainces, and families to prove that they are not guilty.

You can't claim to remove death sentence due to potential mistakes that are a minority. It would be the same as removing jail for all due to potential innocents being framed for crime they did not commit.

There is an urgency in the west, even in those so called developed societies, there are huge list of people waiting to get organs. People whose health is in jeopardy, to save them, would be to bring them organs, and the most moral way to do it is to use the guillotine instead of others methods of execution.

 

[Ara tech]

How many people we executing that this would be an issue of concern

And even if yes the organs should just go to someone on a wait list

Fuck off wanting to sell them to rich people

Rich people are getting them on the black market.

I guess for someone on the wait list is a good way to proceed.

 

[Confucamus]

On touche pas à la famille, le coup classique.

That's not how things work. A true story, there was a woman, who spent her whole life defending rapists, ped ofiles, and serial killers, to prevent them from getting killed by death sentence, in the name of justice, and human-rights. One day, a rapist ped ofiles raped her daughter child, she went mad and asked for death sentence. Destroying her petty crusade credibility at the same time and her mental health.

Justice is something very complex, that cannot be totally obtained by systems, laws and regulations.

Look, it's not about sympathy. Inmate Joe is getting hanged, for whatever crime, let's say he raped 12 women and killed 3. Instead of hanging him, guillotine him, the results would be the same, his death. Only with the guillotine, you could take Joe's organs, to save Tim and Nana lives.

How is that a bad thing ? Making an inmate spends all of his life in a cell, is simply a cost of money by his feeding. Do you pay taxes to feed rapists and serial killers, or do you pay taxes to live in a better country ?

It's a better country with them locked up, be it death row or life in prison. I personally think life in prison is worse, but that's a separate conversation. An inmate voluntarily agreeing to donate their organs after their death is fine. It should never be forced. What if their religion forbids it? Also, you didn't address the specific ethical concerns I listed. A few other posters had similar concerns.

 

[shunyata]

Honestly I'm not even pro death penalty at this point.

But if a deathrow inmate wants to be a donor that's their choice not the state's choice.

Otherwise that shit would get real fucking corrupt real fast.

 

[Osculater]

That would only happen in a corrupt system, that would neglect justice for profit.

https://media.tenor.com/QnzyFMrXfr0AAAAM/bear-bruh.gifof your life as an innocent. Inmates could obtain a 7 years period of detention, to allow their lawyers, acquaintainces, and families to prove that they are not guilty.

You can't claim to remove death sentence due to potential mistakes that are a minority. It would be the same as removing jail for all due to potential innocents being framed for crime they did not commit.

There is an urgency in the west, even in those so called developed societies, there are huge list of people waiting to get organs. People whose health is in jeopardy, to save them, would be to bring them organs, and the most moral way to do it is to use the guillotine instead of others methods of execution.

 

[Osculater]

Rich people are getting them on the black market.

I guess for someone on the wait list is a good way to proceed.

I saw a video of people getting organ transplants in the Philippines and the organs are coming from poor filipinos

 

[fingercuffs]

I say if the inmates agree to donate their organs then I say yes, why not

This. It should be a question as soon as you're incarcerated regardless of death row situations what you would like to happen if you were to die in prison.
Long story short my parents went nuts when they found a donor card when I was a child and husband protested me ticking the donor box when I got my US driving license.

 

[Siver!]

Tell them that unless they sign a waiver relinquishing their organs, no shooty shooty for them.

That'll show 'em!

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Who wants inmate organs?!

 

[Cole train]

If they agree, sure

Can take my organs as well after i die, good luck to the guy who gets my liver

 

[Misfit23]

No because the chances an innocent person getting their organs harvested are too high.

 

[Osculater]

This. It should be a question as soon as you're incarcerated regardless of death row situations what you would like to happen if you were to die in prison.
Long story short my parents went nuts when they found a donor card when I was a child and husband protested me ticking the donor box when I got my US driving license.

Hahaha!
Yeah, I'm not an organ donor but that's why I donate blood and platelets to make up for it

 

[Osculater]

Who wants inmate organs?!

The dying