Are you confused as to why people call MMA fighters C level athletes? Get in here.

[revoltub]

The answer is very simple.

Imagine a WWE wrestler getting a shot fighting a top 10 guy in boxing and putting up a decent performance. then imagine that same fake wrestler winning 4 in a row beating 2 former champions in boxing while winning the undisputed title and defending against a guy who had literally ko'd everyone in the first round.

then imagine another fake wwe wrestler coming in and getting a fight in the main card of a boxing match PPV.

seems crazy right? Laughable even. Well, it happened. In MMA.

That's why.

 

[ShreddinMMA]

Sounds like you're talking about how the UFC is perceived, nothing about the actual athletic capabilities of fighters.

In either case...

 

[revoltub]

Sounds like you're talking about how the UFC is perceived, nothing about the actual athletic capabilities of fighters.

In either case...

does a WWE wrestler winning a title in MMA not say ANYTHING about the athletic capabilities of fighters?

nothing at all?

 

[20falarVerdades]

MMA has a shallow talent pool. A hobbyist weightlifter like Jimi Manuwa decided to take kickboxing lessons at 28 years old and became a top 5 LHW. This would never happen in true A-level sports like Boxing, F1 and Football

 

[JKS]

The answer is very simple.

Imagine a WWE wrestler getting a shot fighting a top 10 guy in boxing and putting up a decent performance. then imagine that same fake wrestler winning 4 in a row beating 2 former champions in boxing while winning the undisputed title and defending against a guy who had literally ko'd everyone in the first round.

then imagine another fake wwe wrestler coming in and getting a fight in the main card of a boxing match PPV.

seems crazy right? Laughable even. Well, it happened. In MMA.

That's why.

Ughh, you do understand that Brock Lesnar had a decorated background in wrestling which is arguably the strongest base for mma....meaning he already had a big advantage and training coming into the sport. In addition, the fact that he was HW was another advantage because that is the only division where there can be a large difference in size and weight. If Brock was a MW or Ww or any class where the fighters are the more equal in size he likely wouldnt of had the success he did beating guys like Couture, Herring and Mir level fighters. His size and his background in wrestling allowed him to get to the point of champ. If you look at guys like James Toney and CM Punk which is a similar scenario, both got completely tooled.

Its not the same thing as boxing buddy.

 

[Chramelated]

 

[tenniswhiz]

Sounds like you're talking about how the UFC is perceived, nothing about the actual athletic capabilities of fighters.

In either case...

No.
He talked about guys winning fights.

 

[scorpipede]

The answer is very simple.

Imagine a WWE wrestler getting a shot fighting a top 10 guy in boxing and putting up a decent performance. then imagine that same fake wrestler winning 4 in a row beating 2 former champions in boxing while winning the undisputed title and defending against a guy who had literally ko'd everyone in the first round.

then imagine another fake wwe wrestler coming in and getting a fight in the main card of a boxing match PPV.

seems crazy right? Laughable even. Well, it happened. In MMA.

That's why.

the confusing part is that people think they have the ability to categorize athleticism because they can type words. That's the real confusing part.

 

[phunky]

 

[revoltub]

Ughh, you do understand that Brock Lesnar had a decorated background in wrestling which is arguably the strongest base for mma....meaning he already had a big advantage and training coming into the sport. In addition, the fact that he was HW was another advantage because that is the only division where there can be a large difference in size and weight. If Brock was a MW or Ww or any class where the fighters are the more equal in size he likely wouldnt of had the success he did beating guys like Couture, Herring and Mir level fighters. His size and his background in wrestling allowed him to get to the point of champ. If you look at guys like James Toney and CM Punk which is a similar scenario, both got completely tooled.

Its not the same thing as boxing buddy.

than why isn't Jared Rosalt a champion?

also, you realize lesnar came into mma with no striking training or submission training, and he was also well over a decade removed from collegiate wrestling.

also james toney should have never been sanctioned in MMA and if was ten years younger and trained like lesnar he'd have held the belt at least once.

 

[basementdweller]

MMA is for the poor and/or delusional. real athletes go make real money in real sports, and often those sports do not involve too much brain damage.

 

[revoltub]

the confusing part is that people think they have the ability to categorize athleticism because they can type words. That's the real confusing part.

i think people just have eyes

 

[JKS]

MMA has a shallow talent pool. A hobbyist weightlifter like Jimi Manuwa decided to take kickboxing lessons at 28 years old and became a top 5 LHW. This would never happen in true A-level sports like Boxing, F1 and Football

So Manuwa started training mma in 2007, around 9-10 years ago and had his first fight in 2008. Yah....it took him nearly 10 years to get to being top 5. Guess he just walked into the sport and it just happened...right?

 

[BigMuffler]

i think people just have eyes

Eye tests are often biased (eg. towards dynamic striking in the case of MMA) and overrated, that's why so many hype trains fail because perceived ability isn't the same as real ability.

 

[revoltub]

Eye tests are often biased and overrated, that's why so many hype trains fail because perceived ability isn't the same as real ability.

WWE

 

[revoltub]

So Manuwa started training mma in 2007, around 9-10 years ago and had his first fight in 2008. Yah....it took him nearly 10 years to get to being top 5. Guess he just walked into the sport and it just happened...right?

pretty much

 

[BigMuffler]

WWE

Boxing has an arbitrary system of resume building that favors consistency ie. you have to beat a good number of lower level guys before even getting a top name, so it's impossible to know if something like a Bob Sapp vs Hoost situation COULDN'T happen in boxing. Since the system doesn't allow for it to be tested. We just go by faith that it can't.

 

[20falarVerdades]

So Manuwa started training mma in 2007, around 9-10 years ago and had his first fight in 2008. Yah....it took him nearly 10 years to get to being top 5. Guess he just walked into the sport and it just happened...right?

I can see you are confused, but in elite sports like Football that just doesn't happen. If you are older than 16 years old and doesn't have a contract signed it is already too late

 

[kflo]

does a WWE wrestler winning a title in MMA not say ANYTHING about the athletic capabilities of fighters?

nothing at all?

He was a national champion wrestler. You're aware of that, right?

Plenty of guys have succeeded in the NFL with little high level football experience.

 

[revoltub]

Boxing has an arbitrary system of resume building that favors consistency ie. you have to beat a good number of lower level guys before even getting a top name, so it's impossible to know if something like a Bob Sapp vs Hoost situation COULDN'T happen in boxing. Since the system doesn't allow for it to be tested. We just go by faith that it can't.

yes, it is possible to determine it couldnt happen, because those guys do try boxing, they just end up getting knocked out in the clubs before they make it to the big show.