Are we in a right wing clique?

[Gutter Chris]

Not familiar with TSM (except a finance term). But, like, look at yesterday when you were saying we shouldn't do anything about climate change because some rich people have noticed it and not taken all the steps you think they should. That's a clear example of putting tribalism and petty spite over principle. And it's just one example of many I could have cited (another one was your view that since some liberals disagree with you, you can't have liberal positions--outsourcing your thinking). I think there is just a general lack of principles with you.

But, like, you know that's not true. You just think lying and personal attacks are an appropriate response when you don't have a real argument for your position (again, goes to the lack of principles).

And there's more of the same. I'm a "partisan hack" in your mind because I don't blindly swallow every bit of rightist propaganda, no? And autistic besides! Probably smell bad too, right?

Alright. Tsm is an autism reference and I'll get to that in a minute. And again I repeat I didn't actually take a stand on climate or what should or shouldn't be done I just used it as an example of hypocrisy and something that is a bad look. You know this and you know you are making me say things I didn't say in your mind you can totally go back and look it up and quote me.

You personally attack me every time you talk to me dude. I'm legit confused about what these principles you think I lack are. Well use your reference that I'm a liberal who is culturally conservative.....which set of principles am I to follow?Both parties make it awful hard to stand by them from my point of view and it makes it so that you can say I abandoned these principles anytime I'm not in agreement with you or them. I'm a lot of things but I don't think a hack of any type is something you can fairly label me.

I'm sure you don't smell bad . If i had to guess id say you are a city liberal type , totally white collar and are very rarely filthy. It takes one to know one is a common saying for a reason. I see it in your word games and I see it in how you turn every conversation into a bjj match like you don't have a gear lower than third. It doesn't seem like you are capable of seeing things from anyone's point of view but your own . Like it's something you can't compute and it makes you angry.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Alright. Tsm is an autism reference and I'll get to that in a minute. And again I repeat I didn't actually take a stand on climate or what should or shouldn't be done I just used it as an example of hypocrisy and something that is a bad look. You know this and you know you are making me say things I didn't say in your mind you can totally go back and look it up and quote me.

A bad look for whom? You didn't answer when I asked why scientists, policymakers, or regular people should care at all about whether it's a "bad look" for some rich person they don't even know to do something. The point there is total tribalistic thinking on your part. The rich people are linked by tribalism in your mind, and thus that justifies, well, what? You suggested that we shouldn't do anything, and now you're disavowing that interpretation, but you're not replacing it with anything.

You personally attack me every time you talk to me dude. I'm legit confused about what these principles you think I lack are. Well use your reference that I'm a liberal who is culturally conservative.....which set of principles am I to follow?Both parties make it awful hard to stand by them from my point of view and it makes it so that you can say I abandoned these principles anytime I'm not in agreement with you or them. I'm a lot of things but I don't think a hack of any type is something you can fairly label me.

You don't have conservative principles; you just ignore principles to align culturally with the right.

I'm sure you don't smell bad . If i had to guess id say you are a city liberal type , totally white collar and are very rarely filthy. It takes one to know one is a common saying for a reason. I see it in your word games and I see it in how you turn every conversation into a bjj match like you don't have a gear lower than third. It doesn't seem like you are capable of seeing things from anyone's point of view but your own . Like it's something you can't compute and it makes you angry.

But I don't play any word games. Like, give me a single example ever of me doing that. And you seem to be really bad at reading emotion from text. Don't try.

 

[Gutter Chris]

A bad look for whom? You didn't answer when I asked why scientists, policymakers, or regular people should care at all about whether it's a "bad look" for some rich person they don't even know to do something. The point there is total tribalistic thinking on your part. The rich people are linked by tribalism in your mind, and thus that justifies, well, what? You suggested that we shouldn't do anything, and now you're disavowing that interpretation, but you're not replacing it with anything.

You don't have conservative principles; you just ignore principles to align culturally with the right.

But I don't play any word games. Like, give me a single example ever of me doing that. And you seem to be really bad at reading emotion from text. Don't try.

I'm pretty sure I said it's a bad look that the people who screech about climate change don't act like it's a real thing at all. I didn't say what should.or shouldn't be done or get into what i thought about the subject at all. It's a bad look for the green movement and i think its a huge reason why many people dont take it seriously. I'm legit at a loss for words that you are pretending to not know what i said or mean. It could just be me but it seems only natural to have a very negative reaction to people who say one thing but then do another and you can apply that to most things. That's not tribal at all it's just an observation.

I'm still not clear on what you think my principles are or aren't or why you keep telling me i have none. Why are you having such a hard time elaborating what you mean here ?

That's an example of your game right there too but if you want to see more examples of it just read your own post history. You are deliberately choosing to misrepresent every single thing I've said and to me that seems like a common trait for you. You don't talk, you duel and it makes you tiresome.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I'm pretty sure I said it's a bad look that the people who screech about climate change don't act like it's a real thing at all.

What people? Do you understand that hypocrites exist on all sides of all issues? What should people who actually care about that issue care? Why do you choose to ignore hypocrites on other sides of other issues to highlight that? That's what I mean. It's just trying to kind of backdoor shitty arguments that you can't actually stand behind.

I didn't say what should.or shouldn't be done or get into what i thought about the subject at all. It's a bad look for the green movement and i think its a huge reason why many people dont take it seriously. I'm legit at a loss for words that you are pretending to not know what i said or mean. It could just be me but it seems only natural to have a very negative reaction to people who say one thing but then do another and you can apply that to most things. That's not tribal at all it's just an observation.

So what is the action item here? If you're a scientist, and you see alarming trends in global warming as a result of human activity, you should ... what? Shut up about it because some people who notice it are hypocrites? If you're a politician, you shouldn't do anything about it because some people are hypocrites? Why does anyone who isn't a raging hack care?

I'm still not clear on what you think my principles are or aren't or why you keep telling me i have none. Why are you having such a hard time elaborating what you mean here ?

I don't. I explained it pretty clearly more than once. You abandon principle to side with your tribe (as you do in your incoherent argument against action to fight climate change, for example).

That's an example of your game right there too but if you want to see more examples of it just read your own post history. You are deliberately choosing to misrepresent every single thing I've said and to me that seems like a common trait for you. You don't talk, you duel and it makes you tiresome.

But, no. You're just lying about that because you don't have a reasonable point to make. I'm the guy trying to get clarity (here and generally), and you're the guy trying to hide behind vapor.

 

[badascan]

Never really understood the meltdown over masks, there were much bigger problems during the pandemic. If you can follow a dress code mandate, you can put on a mask. It was a very low bar to meet that Asian countries were basically already doing.

Try thinking for yourself, or if needed I can explain it to you... Meltdown isn't an accurate word, nor was it necessarily about masks...

 

[blaseblase]

Try thinking for yourself, or if needed I can explain it to you... Meltdown isn't an accurate word, nor was it necessarily about masks...

Putting on an extra item of clothing while going indoors was the bare minimum you could do. It wasn't a big ask. Vaccinations are one thing but this was literally just the equivalent of a dress code.

 

[badascan]

Putting on an extra item of clothing while going indoors was the bare minimum you could do. It wasn't a big ask. Vaccinations are one thing but this was literally just the equivalent of a dress code.

And to any person with some ability to think objectively we knew it not only wasn't going to protect people, it was likely going to make things worse both on a micro and a macro level. This is to say nothing about liberty and the impact authoritarian overreach has on society and governance.

The bare minimum you could do was think for yourself, not follow blindly at your own detriment...

... What's more, "The Science" stated himself how in most cases a mask would not be the solution for people and would likely cause more harm than good but the lie was foisted on the weak who in turn shamed anyone who wouldn't follow the herd off the cliff... Wake up, turn off the TV...

Hope you got your big Mac and don't see any negative side effects in your life from the choices you made.

 

[FIMN]

The good ol' genocide accusations

Guess that puts her in the same category as the ICJ and Red Cross. Bloody extremists. They ADL said so!

 

[Bacco]

Because right and left is just a description of how you see the distrubution of power and how you'd change it.
If you want power to spread, you're left wing.
If you want power to consolidate, you're right wing.
There is no political opinion that is outside of this spectrum because politics = who has power and how they handle it.
What's shitty is we let "right" and "left" become bad words when they're literally just a description of what you think.

That's interesting take that on paper i would agree with, but you think it hold up in real life?
I mean BOTH in my view consolidate power, just of different factions
Then sure maybe one is more strong leader oriented and other more a complex network, but in both cases average guy is not getting any of that power and will still have to eat whatever Team A or Team B retarded decision, often made to serve some party interests rather than citizien

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Putting on an extra item of clothing while going indoors was the bare minimum you could do. It wasn't a big ask. Vaccinations are one thing but this was literally just the equivalent of a dress code.

It never ceases to amaze me how the right wing posters have full on meltdowns over the most trifling things then deny they had anything of the sort lol

For real, now they're saying there was no meltdown over masks??!

 

[Barteh]

It never ceases to amaze me how the right wing posters have full on meltdowns over the most trifling things then deny they had anything of the sort lol

For real, now they're saying there was no meltdown over masks??!

There was definitely a meltdown and there should've been a way bigger one.

 

[luckyshot]

Yes, MMA has become a right wing circle jerk... and, no, it twasn't always this way.

Fighters probably always leaned to the right as a whole, but they kept their politics private. Same with fans.

 

[Phlog]

So I've noticing a pattern here. Most of the celebs I follow have gone full right wing.

I noticed it first with boxing and the UFC attracting right wing fans, then it increases with Dana fully endorsing Trump. Trump and pretty much anyone of a questionable nature seem to mingle among boxing and the UFC. Criminals have a history of running with combat sports of all kinds in almost every country. Andrew Tate comes into the fold, and while I never followed the guy Mr.Officer I do spot the allure of his fan base. I mean his own group is called the War Room and it is basically the same concept as the war room on sherdog. These are all pretty relatable, but it gets stranger when suddenly we have Musk and Zuck jumping into the fray, and sometimes quite literally as they not only align with the far right but also align with the UFC. We got Joe Brogan pushing the narrative with his buddy Putin running with the MMA and right wing crowd too. Kind of a surprise for me but I did watch Dr Phil before and now he's backing right wing policies too.

I'm making this thread now on this same note as I only just found out the youtuber Jon Tron is a far right mouth peace too.

To booth we also have the Incels running with the clique, something a guy like Tate clearly aimed to exploit. It's quite obvious there is mutual ground between fight fans and incels. The shortage of women here confirms this.

I mean, I'm feeling like I could aim to be a major left wing supporter but it would never matter because the culture I immerse myself and often my way of thinking clearly does not match someone on the left. Am I just a right winger in moderate clothing? Would anyone here even identify as left wing even? I think even the most left leaning posters on this forum would call themselves centralists or moderates.

This is a broadly right wing echo chamber yes.

 

[AWilder]

Yes, MMA has become a right wing circle jerk... and, no, it twasn't always this way.

Fighters probably always leaned to the right as a whole, but they kept their politics private. Same with fans.

it's well known that getting punched in the head for money will lead to debilitating mental health problems and generally turn your brain to mush. So i can see why the right wing appeals to them. No thinking, just say the current thing (CRT, DEI, etc.) and the right wingers will cheer you on mindlessly.

 

[Tatra]

Lol...wtf did you you just quote me with.

You don't understand the point being made? You're that dense? lol

Also way to out yourself as one of the clapping seals at a trump rally...

You outed yourself as a moron for not being able to understand the very simple point I made. Congrats!

 

[Jack V Savage]

it's well known that getting punched in the head for money will lead to debilitating mental health problems and generally turn your brain to mush. So i can see why the right wing appeals to them. No thinking, just say the current thing (CRT, DEI, etc.) and the right wingers will cheer you on mindlessly.

I think one of the key psychological traits that distinguishes rightists is the attitude of "I don't need data--I trust my gut completely, even if it goes against logic and evidence." People who are spoiled as children often develop that, as do people who get pampered as adults (like Musk or Trump). A lot of fighters could fall into that trap.

 

[PBAC]

Id just like to point out how early i called Zuck in this.

The private entities dont like the EUs GDPR and empowering individuals to challenge them. FB hates the EU.

 

[UberHere]

Id just like to point out how early i called Zuck in this.

The private entities dont like the EUs GDPR and empowering individuals to challenge them. FB hates the EU.

Get help

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

So I've noticing a pattern here. Most of the celebs I follow have gone full right wing.

delusional

 

[Scerpi]

Id just like to point out how early i called Zuck in this.

The private entities dont like the EUs GDPR and empowering individuals to challenge them. FB hates the EU.

Maybe people in general don't like the Fed's poking around in shit that doesn't concern them and coercing them to do their bidding