Are quantum computers all hype?

[chardog]

If encryption is useless with quantum computing, wouldn't hooking one up to the internet basically be able to steal everyone's passwords in a second and steal the money out of everyone's bank accounts?

even if that can happen, there are trigger warnings when accounts move too quickly

I dont know how useful it will be, I'm slightly concerned it can break blockchain and render my crypto accounts useless

 

[chardog]

all i know is they will make passwords irrelevant

it wont, and many have died over this...... but can it break sherdog 2FA ?

 

[ChosenOne]

You're the one comparing an enterprise advancement with cell phones.

No. You are lying and misrepresenting.

This person said this...

This was the first computer. Now we have laptops.



i imagine Quantum computers are goin to go the same route

I replied with this...

Yes our cell phones have more computing power than the earliest computers did.

Quantum computers today are basically that evolution jump again in computing power

And you then replied with this garbage post...

I'm not surprised that you are also on the QC hype train. At any rate, quantum computers aren't a replacement for tradition computers, they're a (almost) completely separate market that would only really intersect with supercomputers. No consumer is going to be buying a quantum computer at Best Buy 20 years from now instead of a Macbook. There's pretty much no use case for personal computing end users.

What in my post above represents hype?

Quantum computers like many technologies that came prior (cell phone, smart phone, PC, Internet, etc) have jumped forward.

What is even remotely "hype" in point to that fact?

 

[ChosenOne]

,..

Yeah except QC will never be as cost effective or portable as classic computing, meaning you're making a laughable proclamation once again. Like I said, you are failing to grasp that QC and CC are fundamentally different industries and technologies. It's like comparing e-bikes to jumbo jets. Yeah, some overlap, but mostly different use cases and target markets.

What makes you say that? I'm not a luddite, my stances are shaded by the fact that I work adjacent to the industries you are so excited yet uninformed about. Hence it's hard to miss the huge gaps between what you are selling and what those providers are actually seeing and experiencing internally.

Notice how all of those advancements had massive consumer audiences forecasted from the start? For an entrepreneur in residence you sure are terrible at understanding nuance and forecasting markets since enterprise is a completely different beast from consumer.

It's quite funny that you think my worldview is anti-technology, because in your mind all you can understand is band wagoning or not. Like I mentioned last time, I'm sure I'll meet dozens of ill informed sales folks at CES spouting the same drivel as you. And if I'm lucky I'll get someone pitching me AI and QC in the same sentence.

I am ignoring the rest of your strawman post as i have NEVER said or even suggested QC would be cost effective or portable. I spoke to one THING only and is the technologies advancement in computing power. Something that can and does happen even if QC remains in the realm of Universities and governments and mega corporations.

just as todays PC and smart phones are a big advancement on the earliest computers computing power, so to is QC a big advancement as compared to normal main frame computers or pc's. That is all i said and that is FACT.

YOu are trying to argue with points i never said. NOT ONCE.

I don't think your worldview is anti-technology, as you would have to demonstrate some knowledge of tech. You are just ignorant but offer lots of stupid opinions.

 

[GhostZ06]

Quantum tech is the next strange of technology. I dont think there is hype, but there is amazing applications for them. Especially for space ship technology

 

[subtlySteve]

you need to chill, it wasnt that deep

Thank you for your perspective.

 

[avenue94]

And you then replied with this garbage post...

The part you don't grasp is that they are a separate branch of computing technology. Notice how all the technologies you named as revolutionary have two things in common: affordable and viable consumer products and all portable. QC is neither of those. Lemme know when we get to the point that we have portable devices that operate within a smidge of absolute zero but are somehow affordable.

What in my post above represents hype?

Quantum computers like many technologies that came prior (cell phone, smart phone, PC, Internet, etc) have jumped forward.

What is even remotely "hype" in point to that fact?

They jump forward in some areas and regress in others. They aren't flat out better than classical computers across the board and it's silly to hype them up as that. It's like comparing a bike and a plane and claiming the plane is a jump forward in bike technology.

just as todays PC and smart phones are a big advancement on the earliest computers computing power, so to is QC a big advancement as compared to normal main frame computers or pc's. That is all i said and that is FACT.

Once again, QC performs some workloads better than classical, and then other workloads like ass. Two different strands of computing that don't intersect much beyond simulations and specific modeling work (very lucrative and useful, but of no interest to end users).

 

[IDL]

You're the one comparing an enterprise advancement with cell phones. Pick a better analogy if you don't want people to think you are arguing QC's will have an impact for end-users.

To play devils advocate, I don't see any reason why at some point QC couldn't be similar to AI in that you just turn it into a cloud service so the heavy lifting isn't happening on your personal device. It would be happening in some multi-billion dollar installation somewhere.

In that case, you could in effect leverage QC on a potato.

 

[Bballfan123]

It sounds like they are sending a ragtag group of programs to fight a multidimensional quantum computer.

I would watch that 47-part Netlfix special

 

[ChosenOne]

The part you don't grasp is that they are a separate branch of computing technology. Notice how all the technologies you named as revolutionary have two things in common: affordable and viable consumer products and all portable. QC is neither of those. Lemme know when we get to the point that we have portable devices that operate within a smidge of absolute zero but are somehow affordable.

They jump forward in some areas and regress in others. They aren't flat out better than classical computers across the board and it's silly to hype them up as that. It's like comparing a bike and a plane and claiming the plane is a jump forward in bike technology.

Once again, QC performs some workloads better than classical, and then other workloads like ass. Two different strands of computing that don't intersect much beyond simulations and specific modeling work (very lucrative and useful, but of no interest to end users).

No you are being stupid as i never said or SUGGESTED they we the same branch of computing technology.

AGAIN, i spoke to one thing and one thing ONLY, and that was an 'advance in technology'. A LEAP forward in capability. And i mentioned the PC, despite QC not being hardware. I mentioned the basic cell phone despite QC not being a cell phone. I mentioned smart phones and the internet despite QC not being those.

As the POINT I WAS MAKING, is that all of them, despite being vastly different tech had massive leaps forward in their capabilities. They had massive technology advances like QC is now enjoying.

that was my singular point you are too daft to follow it.

The internet nor the PC nor normal computing have to be in the same branch or even same area for what i said to be true and it is true.

QC has made a huge jump forward in capabilities just as the PC, Cell Phone, Smart phone, Internet, etc have also done since their earliest inceptions. This is FACT.

 

[IDL]

all i know is they will make passwords irrelevant

I don't see how for typical use cases. QC would be able to brute force a password if it was able to try all the combinations without delay, but would require having all the data locally which isn't typical unless there was a hack and they downloaded databases from a secured server. I that case, I suspect you'd be screwed.

For a web site for example, it wouldn't be able to simulate enough logins remotely to make QC useful, unless I am missing something here.

 

[ChosenOne]

To play devils advocate, I don't see any reason why at some point QC couldn't be similar to AI in that you just turn it into a cloud service so the heavy lifting isn't happening on your personal device. It would be happening in some multi-billion dollar installation somewhere.

In that case, you could in effect leverage QC on a potato.

And to clarify he is not arguing with anything anyone said. he is non stop strawmanning and lying.

 

[Wilmer Digreux]

Guess someone better get cracking on translating all the AI and machine learning work that's been optimized only for classical computing to quantum. That's a pretty big miss on predictions from him.

Also pretty big whiffs.

He was probably just trying to drum up investors

 

[avenue94]

To play devils advocate, I don't see any reason why at some point QC couldn't be similar to AI in that you just turn it into a cloud service so the heavy lifting isn't happening on your personal device. It would be happening in some multi-billion dollar installation somewhere.

In that case, you could in effect leverage QC on a potato.

What would I, Joe Schmo, be wanting to run on a QC? You are correct that this is possible, plenty of QC providers rent out use, but that audience is very unique.

Not to mention the inherent problem with this model is data centers are expensive. That's why you see a huge push for localized AI, because datacenters would rather pass the cost onto the end user.

QC has made a huge jump forward in capabilities just as the PC, Cell Phone, Smart phone, Internet, etc have also done since their earliest inceptions. This is FACT.

They offer a huge leap in theoretical work so far that may or may not translate into viable products 10 or 20 years from now. The path is nowhere near as clear as it was for other technological breakthroughs. You don't seem to realize how niche most QC advances have been.

He was probably just trying to drum up investors

Yup. Like I said, scientists and technologists aren't immune to biases, especially when they have a vested interest in raising funds.

 

[IDL]

What would I, Joe Schmo, be wanting to run on a QC? You are correct that this is possible, plenty of QC providers rent out use, but that audience is very unique.

Not to mention the inherent problem with this model is data centers are expensive. That's why you see a huge push for localized AI, because datacenters would rather pass the cost onto the end user.

Beats me what the consumer use case would be, I was just making the point that it could be made available and would not be dependant on upgrades of peoples personal devices.

And I agree about cost. AI is very expensive and as far as I know, AI companies are all losing money. Will be interesting to see who survives and what their business models will be. Probably commercial licensing. QC would probably be even worse.

 

[avenue94]

Beats me what the consumer use case would be, I was just making the point that it could be made available and would not be dependant on upgrades of peoples personal devices.

It could be made available in the same way that say, a lab could rent out time on their super computer. Technically possible, but there's no consumer demand for it and it would be prohibitively expensive. It'd be like making an app to rent out Gulf Streams. Totally possible but why?

And I agree about cost. AI is very expensive and as far as I know, AI companies are all losing money. Will be interesting to see who survives and what their business models will be. Probably commercial licensing. QC would probably be even worse.

Yeah, QC to its credit has much clearer roads to profitabilitly. Pharma companies would kill for the ability to find viable compounds faster since they can then patent and sell. Financial forecasting is another big one.

For AI, commercial licensing isn't enough, the enterprise and pro tiers for Chat GPT still bleed money. That's partly why I was a hardass to the other guy, he kept going on and on about AI despite not understanding its challenges or potential.

TLDR: ChatGPT probably breaks even by massively jacking up enterprise costs and selling data for advertising. It effectively comes full circle and becomes google search 2.0.

 

[ChosenOne]

What would I, Joe Schmo, be wanting to run on a QC?...

After this post you go on my ignore as you are simply incapable of anything resembling an intelligent conversation.

I NEVER said Joe Schmo wanted to run anything on a QC.

I made one comment below and that comment was to simply say 'Quantum computers have leaped forward in their technology like other technologies have since their inception.

I could have used the PC, the Cell phone, the internet or automobiles, etc as the SOLE point i made is that 'QC is advancing'.

Yes our cell phones have more computing power than the earliest computers did.

Quantum computers today are basically that evolution jump again in computing power.

Since that post above you have lied and stuffed strawman after strawman suggesting that post above says things it does not.

 

[Rygu]

As has been mentioned, quantum computing is insanely good at the things it's good at.

Last time I checked they're only operational in rooms that are colder than outer space, almost absolute zero. So that's a bit of a bottleneck for mainstream use atm.

 

[ChosenOne]

As has been mentioned, quantum computing is insanely good at the things it's good at.

Last time I checked they're only operational in rooms that are colder than outer space, almost absolute zero. So that's a bit of a bottleneck for mainstream use atm.

Ya i don't think i have ever read any future theorizing that QC will be for personal use beyond whatever cloud services you may access at mega corps (Amazon, Google, etc) that may be powered by it.

Just as Mainframe computers have massively advanced from their introduction but are not on a path for mainstream personal use.

That is not a measure of the technologies usefulness or success. It does not have to be mainstream.

 

[Rygu]

Ya i don't think i have ever read any future theorizing that QC will be for personal use beyond whatever cloud services you may access at mega corps (Amazon, Google, etc) that may be powered by it.

Just as Mainframe computers have massively advanced from their introduction but are not on a path for mainstream personal use.

That is not a measure of the technologies usefulness or success. It does not have to be mainstream.

Well how am I going to run Crysis at max settings then?