Are Anabolic Steroids worth it?

maximus__ said:
People I know swear by BPC 157 including ex steroid users for recovery. One guy had surgery for a fully torn bicep and was back training within a few weeks. Now the previous steroid use was probably a major factor in him tearing his bicep, but I have seen multiple people recover rapidly from that specific peptide.

Too bad it's illegal where I live.
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Where do you live?

Is it illegal or simply for 'research only' or some other gray area designation?

BPC157 and some other peptides have been absolutely huge for me. It's almost miraculous of what it can do.
 
DEVILsSON said:
Where do you live?

Is it illegal or simply for 'research only' or some other gray area designation?

BPC157 and some other peptides have been absolutely huge for me. It's almost miraculous of what it can do.
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Australia. They get caught at the border and I won't risk my work by doing anything illegal.

They will become available eventually, just will be prescribed at a high cost like TRT.
 
maximus__ said:
Australia. They get caught at the border and I won't risk my work by doing anything illegal.

They will become available eventually, just will be prescribed at a high cost like TRT.
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Yea Australia has a pretty stringent import controls. I know even melatonin is banned without prescription.

I believe worst case scenario is they simply seize the package. Some vendors reimburse you however I don't know what the seizure rate is for Australia.

I wonder if pills get checked as harshly as well? Some vendors even sell the pill form on Amazon/Ebay.
 
DEVILsSON said:
Yea Australia has a pretty stringent import controls. I know even melatonin is banned without prescription.

I believe worst case scenario is they simply seize the package. Some vendors reimburse you however I don't know what the seizure rate is for Australia.

I wonder if pills get checked as harshly as well? Some vendors even sell the pill form on Amazon/Ebay.
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Melatonin is no longer a prescription so they do move things along. I can get a 2 month supply for about $15. With a perscription it was about $60 from memory.

Yeah it just gets seized, but it's still annoying.

I will just wait. I switched to non alcoholic beers recently and the simple fact I am actually getting REM and Deep sleep again has made a major change. I thought I was good with 1-2 alcohol drinks most nights and didn't realise how much it was screwing my sleep. I should have guessed when I felt more recovered when I was working nightshift vs my week off with a few drinks each night.

I am going to work off the theory that good sleep works better than any of these things, even though I have no experience with PEDs or peptides. I will just convince myself of that until they become legal.
 
maximus__ said:
People I know swear by BPC 157 including ex steroid users for recovery. One guy had surgery for a fully torn bicep and was back training within a few weeks. Now the previous steroid use was probably a major factor in him tearing his bicep, but I have seen multiple people recover rapidly from that specific peptide.

Too bad it's illegal where I live.
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With all due respect, not too start another arguement here but in the interest of accuracy of the terminology for those who don't know. It's the source of much frustration IRL I'm not directing this post at you but rather using your post as a starting point.

There are so many misconceptions about what is what, I still run into people who think creatine is a steroid or don't know the difference between corticosteroids which are anti-inflammatory like Prednisone and AAS or Anabolic Androgenic Steroids which is what has been discussed here.
You've introduced peptides into the thread which is a bit of a tangent. You didn't say that BPC157 is a steroid but perhaps it's not clear to everyone that it is not.

Also the acronym PED covers a lot of different compounds including AAS and some peptides.

I love BPC 157 personally, it's taken care of some long time nagging injuries for me personally and as you mentioned done lots for many, many athletes. Certainly caution is a good idea because it's not been in common use for very long. The anecdotal evidence I am aware of is very impressive though.
 
Just jumping in here on the BPC 157 train, I lost a labrum tendon then with my doctor did a combination of GHRP-6 and CJC (peptides like BPC but more general spectrum).

The healing was NOTICIABLY quicker, none of my levels were off and I was in great shape. If you guys have any nagging soft tissue stuff I'd really strongly recommend it but obviously do a ton of research and make the choice for yourself.


OP also apparently knows everything and all the world's answers so we can just talk about roids instead of him.
 
1rawdog said:
With all due respect, not too start another arguement here but in the interest of accuracy of the terminology for those who don't know. It's the source of much frustration IRL I'm not directing this post at you but rather using your post as a starting point.

There are so many misconceptions about what is what, I still run into people who think creatine is a steroid or don't know the difference between corticosteroids which are anti-inflammatory like Prednisone and AAS or Anabolic Androgenic Steroids which is what has been discussed here.
You've introduced peptides into the thread which is a bit of a tangent. You didn't say that BPC157 is a steroid but perhaps it's not clear to everyone that it is not.

Also the acronym PED covers a lot of different compounds including AAS and some peptides.

I love BPC 157 personally, it's taken care of some long time nagging injuries for me personally and as you mentioned done lots for many, many athletes. Certainly caution is a good idea because it's not been in common use for very long. The anecdotal evidence I am aware of is very impressive though.
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I specifically posted it in response to someone saying steroids don’t improve recovery. BPC 157 is touted as a recovery drug and not a direct performance enhancer.

I made the post specifically because guys I know that have used gear say it craps all over their recovery when on steroids.

I have never and probably will never use anything like that. I don’t like to rely on anything I can’t access if I lost my job tomorrow and had to work minimum wage.
 
maximus__ said:
I specifically posted it in response to someone saying steroids don’t improve recovery. BPC 157 is touted as a recovery drug and not a direct performance enhancer.

I made the post specifically because guys I know that have used gear say it craps all over their recovery when on steroids.

I have never and probably will never use anything like that. I don’t like to rely on anything I can’t access if I lost my job tomorrow and had to work minimum wage.
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I'm unclear, are you disagreeing with something in my post?
 
maximus__ said:
I specifically posted it in response to someone saying steroids don’t improve recovery. BPC 157 is touted as a recovery drug and not a direct performance enhancer.

I made the post specifically because guys I know that have used gear say it craps all over their recovery when on steroids.

I have never and probably will never use anything like that. I don’t like to rely on anything I can’t access if I lost my job tomorrow and had to work minimum wage.
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I think you've honestly heard wrong or they didn't know what they felt. Steroids for muscle recovery are literally magic BUT they don't help tendon recovery so a lot of new cycle people will wind up tearing things because their tendons can't match the workload which sounds like what they were saying.


1rawdog said:
I'm unclear, are you disagreeing with something in my post?
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I think you guys are saying the same things in completely different ways so I jumped in haha
 
1rawdog said:
I'm unclear, are you disagreeing with something in my post?
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Nah mate not at all. Just explaining why I randomly bought up peptides and saying I know jack shit about PED use in general from a personal experience. It's all anecdotal 3rd party knowledge and internet stuff.
 
drblackula said:
I think you've honestly heard wrong or they didn't know what they felt. Steroids for muscle recovery are literally magic BUT they don't help tendon recovery so a lot of new cycle people will wind up tearing things because their tendons can't match the workload which sounds like what they were saying.




I think you guys are saying the same things in completely different ways so I jumped in haha
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Growth hormone seemed to be the main thing they said helped with recovery. Steroid cycles improved their performance and BPC 157 was apparently magical especially for tendon rupture recovery as mentioned.

Again I have absolutely no personal experience and BPC 157 was used to avoid a return to steroid use, so maybe they just wanted to avoid that cycle again and over sold it.
 
ROcknrollracing said:
Jim knows steroids are dangerous and will shorten your life but is such a weakling inside that he constantly promotes them to other people to feel better about his own usage. Steroids may have helped you squat 670+ but you cant play baseball worth a lick. I would know I played against the Russian national team 3 years ago.
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East Texas Warpigs baseball!
 
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ROcknrollracing said:
I played for more than one team oblivious.
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Yes, you played for another rec league team. I don't know why you are still trying to play this off. Your name is already out there and anyone can look. You aren't anywhere on baseball cube. Any googles of your name with baseball show you playing for rec league teams with age divisions lol. I can look up loads of people that I played baseball with and baseball cube brings up their entire history: NCAA, Minors, etc.
 
Oblivian said:
Yes, you played for another rec league team. I don't know why you are still trying to play this off. Your name is already out there and anyone can look. You aren't anywhere on baseball cube. Any googles of your name with baseball show you playing for rec league teams with age divisions lol. I can look up loads of people that I played baseball with and baseball cube brings up their entire history: NCAA, Minors, etc.
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I assure you, you cannot look everybody up and I assure you I’m not playing anything off. You are straight up jealous is what I think which is fine with me.
 
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