Are Americans falling behind in MMA?

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They are ahead in terms of athletes getting flagged by USADA tho.
 
Russia will become a dominant force in MMA because their wrestling program has a lot of people that wont make it to the Olympics that want a professional outlet.

If Pankration becomes an Olympic sport again then watch out.
 
This whole Russian thing is better is a bit overrated as well. Khabib was part of a wave of Russian fighters who were placed in various big gyms all over the US. I don't believe a lot of them are what you call success stories. Who was the backer of that program? I am not sure but I think he had the luck to break away from the pack by securing his own sponsors.
 
king_ebeneezer said:
MMA will always be a niche D level sport.
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You give MMA way too much credit by calling it a D level sport. It is not a sport at all. Sports are things where real athletes compete in legit competition to find out who is the best in the world.

MMA is something that kids who were bullied by real athletes in high school and soccer moms do. MMA is not legit competition and is more similar to pro wrestling in the way the "champ" is determined. MMA is something where NFL washouts and pro wrestlers can come in and destroy "greats" with minimal training.

It is a place for bullied nerds and soccer moms to come in and fight other trash talent and pretend they are the best in the world at something. When someone like Russell Westbrook would destroy any MMA fighter in the world in a street fight.
 
Rex Kwon Do said:
America does great at the Olympics and has the worst (i.e. essentially non-existent) state support in the entire world. Soon-to-be Olympic gold medalists work in Starbuck's to afford a place to live so they can train their asses off to rep their country. And despite having to concern themselves with paying the bills, they still kill it (especially) at the Summer Olympics every year.

So no, lack of state support has never held back Americans from athletic excellence.
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WTF? America is reknowned worldwide for the quality of its gyms and national support for sports. Like D1 Wrestling, I don't believe any other country has something like that, at least not in Europe where I live. And US Olympic Committeee receives plenty of funding from corporate sponsors regardless of the fact they don't receive any government support.

EDIT: Link.
 
Also I'm echoing the guy that said Americans only seem to dominate because their organisations have the best advertising and even in the supposedly international UFC >50% of the fighters are American and >65% are either American or Brazilian.
 
Son of Werdum said:
You give MMA way too much credit by calling it a D level sport. It is not a sport at all. Sports are things where real athletes compete in legit competition to find out who is the best in the world.

MMA is something that kids who were bullied by real athletes in high school and soccer moms do. MMA is not legit competition and is more similar to pro wrestling in the way the "champ" is determined. MMA is something where NFL washouts and pro wrestlers can come in and destroy "greats" with minimal training.

It is a place for bullied nerds and soccer moms to come in and fight other trash talent and pretend they are the best in the world at something. When someone like Russell Westbrook would destroy any MMA fighter in the world in a street fight.
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Preach.
 
-guerilla- said:
26 years ago no-holds-barred fighting was supposed to prove what the greatest martial art was, here we are today and I think the answer is pretty clear mixed martial arts as a style is superior to every other discipline ever created however I've noticed that the United States has fewer mixed martial arts gyms then I expected by now.

I expected mixed martial arts to take over the world but today if you search for MMA on Google Maps 99% of the results will be Brazilian jiu-jitsu gyms.

Royce Gracie was a Phenom No Doubt but we don't see anybody walking into the ring in a Jiu-Jitsu Gi nowadays however 99% of your training opportunities in 99% of America's hometowns is traditional Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

why has Brazilian jiu-jitsu dominated the the American martial arts market for so many years and it's almost impossible to find pure mixed martial arts as a style in most of America's towns?

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu doesn't have video games or TV shows or betting odds like MMA however it dominates the martial arts Marketplace!

I really feel like the rest of the world is leaving America in the dust and the fact that we are the biggest country with the best technology and the best athletes and still don't dominate the grappling Sports and MMA is a bit of a cluster.

In a lot of countries the state actually has free gymnasiums where people can go train in Combat Athletics meanwhile in America all our training opportunitys are private for-profit businesses who sweat liability and prioritize profits.

don't let the UFC rankings fool you,
I don't think the UFC has the best fighters in the world I think they put on the best fights in the world there's a difference!
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I can't say anything about the last half of your statement, but to answer the first part, MMA is fucking hard. I own a gym. I get a couple guys s week who claim they want to fight. They train for 2 weeks and realize this shit sucks. They can barely move after classes, then are told they need to diet and exercise outside as well. It's not sustainable for the average person. TMA's and BJJ are usually a much lighter and therefore sustainable workout.
 
No, actually the Brazilians fell behind after USADA and americans got the relevance

The Russians are catching up
 
It became popular first in America and the other countries will eventually catch up and overpass Americans. That has nothing to do with statesponsering or expensive training...
 
CHAMPIONS:

HW - American
LHW - American
WW - American
FW - American
BW - American
FW - American

Only MW and LW are non-American men's champs. I left off women champs on purpose.
 
JosephTessaro said:
CHAMPIONS:

HW - American
LHW - American
WW - American
FW - American
BW - American
FW - American

Only MW and LW are non-American men's champs. I left off women champs on purpose.
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An American organisation has mostly American champions what a surprise.
 
-guerilla- said:
26 years ago no-holds-barred fighting was supposed to prove what the greatest martial art was, here we are today and I think the answer is pretty clear mixed martial arts as a style is superior to every other discipline ever created however I've noticed that the United States has fewer mixed martial arts gyms then I expected by now.

I expected mixed martial arts to take over the world but today if you search for MMA on Google Maps 99% of the results will be Brazilian jiu-jitsu gyms.

Royce Gracie was a Phenom No Doubt but we don't see anybody walking into the ring in a Jiu-Jitsu Gi nowadays however 99% of your training opportunities in 99% of America's hometowns is traditional Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

why has Brazilian jiu-jitsu dominated the the American martial arts market for so many years and it's almost impossible to find pure mixed martial arts as a style in most of America's towns?

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu doesn't have video games or TV shows or betting odds like MMA however it dominates the martial arts Marketplace!

I really feel like the rest of the world is leaving America in the dust and the fact that we are the biggest country with the best technology and the best athletes and still don't dominate the grappling Sports and MMA is a bit of a cluster.

In a lot of countries the state actually has free gymnasiums where people can go train in Combat Athletics meanwhile in America all our training opportunitys are private for-profit businesses who sweat liability and prioritize profits.

don't let the UFC rankings fool you,
I don't think the UFC has the best fighters in the world I think they put on the best fights in the world there's a difference!
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Jiujitsu dominates American markets because its low impact (no punches, kicks or slams) which appeals to the average human more than full contact MMA. It's just more fun for the average guy/gal.

The UFC has the best fighters in the world because it allows international fighters. Not just Americans. UFC pays the most, so thats where the best go.

It's not like there's some super elite group of fighters hiding in a cave somewhere refusing to compete because the UFC is American.

Also, America has private gyms that avoid liability seek profit, because we're not a socialist country. You damn commie.

Bad thread is bad.

America bless.

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-guerilla- said:
26 years ago no-holds-barred fighting was supposed to prove what the greatest martial art was, here we are today and I think the answer is pretty clear mixed martial arts as a style is superior to every other discipline ever created however I've noticed that the United States has fewer mixed martial arts gyms then I expected by now.

I expected mixed martial arts to take over the world but today if you search for MMA on Google Maps 99% of the results will be Brazilian jiu-jitsu gyms.

Royce Gracie was a Phenom No Doubt but we don't see anybody walking into the ring in a Jiu-Jitsu Gi nowadays however 99% of your training opportunities in 99% of America's hometowns is traditional Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

why has Brazilian jiu-jitsu dominated the the American martial arts market for so many years and it's almost impossible to find pure mixed martial arts as a style in most of America's towns?

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu doesn't have video games or TV shows or betting odds like MMA however it dominates the martial arts Marketplace!

I really feel like the rest of the world is leaving America in the dust and the fact that we are the biggest country with the best technology and the best athletes and still don't dominate the grappling Sports and MMA is a bit of a cluster.

In a lot of countries the state actually has free gymnasiums where people can go train in Combat Athletics meanwhile in America all our training opportunitys are private for-profit businesses who sweat liability and prioritize profits.

don't let the UFC rankings fool you,
I don't think the UFC has the best fighters in the world I think they put on the best fights in the world there's a difference!
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Fantastic question.

American mma culture was always about wrestling - nobody cared...and it damaged the sport world-wide...yeah UFC rules favoured the wrestler.

I like Colby though...can't wait for his next high-profile fight...hopefully against crybaby Woodley.
 
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