April 17 Triller: Ben Askren vs Logan Paul (Mega)

[Paolo Delutis]

Listen guys, I’m rooting for Ben Askren.

It’s just hard not to respect a guy with no professional fighting experience putting everything on the line to fight in front of millions.

Let’s keep it real here, pre fight promotion aside, Jake Paul is going make that walk. He risks getting humiliated on live TV by getting outboxed by a former wrestler. He has everything to lose here. Askren, on the other hand, is supposed to lose.

I know the kid sounds like an idiot, but it’s very hard not to respect someone who is willing to put it all on the line.

No...

Hes a punk and doesnt deserve the respect real fighters get till he fights Askren...

As this will be his actual first fight against a fighter....


Till then hes just a punk with limited skills and a big mouth...


Askrens i hope exposes this child for what he is...a spoiled rich kid surrounded by yes men..

Anx yes i would fight Jake paul or his brother...

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Ben isn’t “just a wrestler”

He is a grappler, and a good and well rounded one at that.


Unfortunately that means fuck all in a boxing match.

Ben might be PLANNING to weather the storm and win via cardio, but like they say :

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.

And Ben will be getting punched in the face a lot with his striking technique. Even his stance is horrible for boxing, very square and his chin isn’t tucked and he his hands too low, basically he seems to be using an MMA stance in his training videos for a boxing match.

I’m not sure how good Ben’s cardio is, but I just don’t see how he will wind up getting Jake to get so tired (from whooping Ben’s ass) that there will be a time in the fight where Jake is so exhausted that he can’t handle Ben’s horrible striking.

If anything, Ben’s striking is so horrible that it is unlikely to be efficient in terms of energy expenditure. It takes quite a lot of boxing training to learn how to throw and slip punches without getting tired.

Yep. Agreed on Ben being more than a wrestler in the sense of being a grappler. I was repeating the phrase used by the original commenter.

I have nothing against Ben, and I hope he wins. But there's very little reason to think he will.

 

[HHJ]

The guy humiliates himself on a daily basis.

 

[jeff7b9]

Yep. Agreed on Ben being more than a wrestler in the sense of being a grappler. I was repeating the phrase used by the original commenter.

I have nothing against Ben, and I hope he wins. But there's very little reason to think he will.

Yup.

I was joking, being a tad sarcastic, but dry sarcasm isn’t always clear on a forum post. Your posts are always reasoned and respectful, I was just playing.

I like Ben, he is a fun personality and brings a really unique perspective to the fight scene. But he is going to get his ass handed to him. All the Olympic experience and pro fighting isn’t going to fix the tremendous gap in skill.

I can’t stand Jake Paul, at all, that guy’s whole Schtick is like nails on a chalkboard, but he actually does have pretty solid boxing fundamentals.

 

[Pizza Werewolf]

I might see this fight and I'm not ashamed to admit it. At the same time, I can agree with anyone that says it's a sham.

Hell, I'd watch two hobos fight over a sandwich so it's really not saying much that I'd watch this garbage, lol.

What kinda sandwich?
Im hungry and kinda bored.
Ill fight both Hobos for the sandwich depending on the contents.

 

[Moeshaak Hammer]

Professional fighters couldn't knock out Ben with 4oz gloves over a decade long career, but a YouTuber with boxing gloves is going to...

I will return to this post once Jake knocks him out

 

[Jonny Ninja]

You guys have no idea what you're talking about. @Jonny Ninja

This is boxing, not MMA. Boxing is its own art. Askren is a "striker" at best, not a boxer. In boxing, Jake has years on Ben.

It's going to be very hard to land clean with those big gloves for Askren. The best he can hope to do is grind and go the distance and lose a decision.

Paul will be landing almost all of the clean, heavy shots, because they're generally hard to land.

The same people thinking Askren has a chance are the same people thinking Conor had a chance vs. Floyd. Just... no. Two different sports.

lol at your confidence in a guy that has fought about 2 rounds his while career, against guys that aren’t even fighters. Unless you have some inside info you have no fckin clue how he will get on with a real fighter, or if he will gas after a couple of rounds. We also don’t know how he handles taking a hard shot. You know none of this yet you claim to know what you are talking about?

Actually I’ve been boxing for 30 years. How long have you been boxing for?

 

[Jonny Ninja]

You do understand you can get tired from pressure, right? Jake will not go the distance, lol. He will break mentally. You can’t just beat a lifetimes worth of cardio, grit, mental fortitude, the ability to deal with adversity if things go wrong, by boxing a YouTuber and a basketball player.

Ben knows how to handle his body in a fight. Jake will not know how to handle himself and he will dump when he fails to get rid of Ben.

Also, dummy, Jake to Askren isn’t Mayweather to Conor. That’s fucking dumb.

Absolutely mate. If jake can’t knock Ben out pretty quick I can definitely see that happening. Im not sure why some fans think he’s gonna have the same sort of cardio as an actual professional fighter. Hes not! He’s a you tuber playing at boxing. He’s also very inexperienced and he may have to manage his gas tank. He’s only ever done multiple rounds in sparring, which is very different to the actual fight

 

[DivineMind]

lol at your confidence in a guy that has fought about 2 rounds his while career, against guys that aren’t even fighters. Unless you have some inside info you have no fckin clue how he will get on with a real fighter, or if he will gas after a couple of rounds. We also don’t know how he handles taking a hard shot. You know none of this yet you claim to know what you are talking about?

Actually I’ve been boxing for 30 years. How long have you been boxing for?

Since you been boxing for 30 years, you should know it's different than mma.

Ben's striking was probably among the worst in the UFC. He hardly ever used it as well.

Jake Paul has been training boxing for years. He has the boxing muscle memory, as Max K says.

So the way I see it:

Jake has the clear advantage in actual 'boxing", and Askren has the advantage in general combat sports experience, of which the only relevant parts are comprised of cardio and taking a punch.

So based on this, what I was saying is absolutely true. Ben's going to have shit technique and is gonna make it a grind fest, Paul will be doing the actual boxing.

Askren can't deliver a hard shot in boxing, except if Paul is totally gassed. Paul has also been sparring with some gooood talent, so I know hes put in the work to deal with someone like Askren.

People like you are the same people that assumed Nganou didn't improve since his last Stipe fight because you didn't see "evidence"

 

[Jonny Ninja]

Since you been boxing for 30 years, you should know it's different than mma.

Ben's striking was probably among the worst in the UFC. He hardly ever used it as well.

Jake Paul has been training boxing for years. He has the boxing muscle memory, as Max K says.

So the way I see it:

Jake has the clear advantage in actual 'boxing", and Askren has the advantage in general combat sports experience, of which the only relevant parts are comprised of cardio and taking a punch.

So based on this, what I was saying is absolutely true. Ben's going to have shit technique and is gonna make it a grind fest, Paul will be doing the actual boxing.

Askren can't deliver a hard shot in boxing, except if Paul is totally gassed. Paul has also been sparring with some gooood talent, so I know hes put in the work to deal with someone like Askren.

People like you are the same people that assumed Nganou didn't improve since his last Stipe fight because you didn't see "evidence"

he’s a fckin novice with no ami experience, who’s hand picked his only 2 fights, against other novices! And both smaller than him

sparring, 16oz gloves etc are nothing like stepping in to actually fight! So his experience amounts to 2 rounds, yet mugs like you are convinced he’s gonna be able to keep the same pace the whole fight! It’s laughable.

Yeah, bens striking is so bad it’s hilarious. No one is saying he’s gonna outbox jake, what we are clearly saying is he could well outlast him. And Do you not think Ben has been hit hard in fights and in sparring. He’s been in the ring, octagon with guys that hit far harder than jake.

Lol not really sure what the the ngannou reference is about

 

[burningspear]

Ben's been watching Chino vs Floyd, I like

 

[Askren’s chin]

Exactly, lol.

Surely you saw Akren's Rocky IV style training video, right? I loved it, haha.

Askren is the irl rocky

 

[logistix]

Yep. Agreed on Ben being more than a wrestler in the sense of being a grappler. I was repeating the phrase used by the original commenter.

Oh bro so now you blame it on me?? A white belt??

 

[DivineMind]

he’s a fckin novice with no ami experience, who’s hand picked his only 2 fights, against other novices! And both smaller than him

sparring, 16oz gloves etc are nothing like stepping in to actually fight! So his experience amounts to 2 rounds, yet mugs like you are convinced he’s gonna be able to keep the same pace the whole fight! It’s laughable.

Yeah, bens striking is so bad it’s hilarious. No one is saying he’s gonna outbox jake, what we are clearly saying is he could well outlast him. And Do you not think Ben has been hit hard in fights and in sparring. He’s been in the ring, octagon with guys that hit far harder than jake.

Lol not really sure what the the ngannou reference is about

The reference is about underweighting the training the fighters are doing just because you didn't see the immediate results in a fight laid out explicitly. People were saying there weren't convinced Ngannou had improved just because his fights were so short, despite talk that he has been preparing non-stop for Stipe since he lost and training wrestling heavily.

In this case, Jake has been sparring and training with legit ass people in the boxing world.

So anyway it sounds like we mostly AGREE about how the fight is going to go, except on the outcome.

If this were a 12 rounder I might agree with you, but I think Paul can keep his cardio going for 8. Ben won't get the chance to unload if he's waiting for Jake to gas.

 

[Cariñito]

I do want Askren to win though, just because I know the shit storm that is going to happen if Jake Paul wins by KO/TKO. I do know this event is focused on having boxing come out on top vs former mma world champions. This event and the fight with Anderson Silva and Chavez Jr is just to add on to the whole boxing > mma narrative.

I love that narrative.
And there's gonna be a lot of KOd MMA fighters soon. And some by non boxers.

 

[aries]

I think this goes one of two ways. Askren chooses to box and gets soundly outboxed because his boxing is so poor OR he turns it into a dirty boxing match and clinches up Jake whilst hitting and holding. It totally depends on the referee if he can get away with this strategy. Either way it could be a very ugly frustrating to watch fight.

 

[listrahtes]

Ben's striking was probably among the worst in the UFC. He hardly ever used it as well.

I think we can rate Bens striking regarding all of professional MMA as one of the worst. Regarding UFC I can only find females that are on that level or worse.
He is the male version of Cindy Dandois. The real question is how good Paul really is and how much clinching the ref will allow. If he can get to regional amateur level regarding cardio and skill he will fuck Ben up.

 

[PHATV]

Why is this thread in the boxing forum? I only got a few posts in, but...

 

[Jonny Ninja]

The reference is about underweighting the training the fighters are doing just because you didn't see the immediate results in a fight laid out explicitly. People were saying there weren't convinced Ngannou had improved just because his fights were so short, despite talk that he has been preparing non-stop for Stipe since he lost and training wrestling heavily.

In this case, Jake has been sparring and training with legit ass people in the boxing world.

So anyway it sounds like we mostly AGREE about how the fight is going to go, except on the outcome.

If this were a 12 rounder I might agree with you, but I think Paul can keep his cardio going for 8. Ben won't get the chance to unload if he's waiting for Jake to gas.

As I’ve already stated, sparring is fck all like a proper fight. More protection, much bigger gloves, headgear most of the time, and your partner possibly at 50% power.

We most certainly don’t agree because I can’t actually make any judgement on how good a boxer Paul is based on about 3 minutes of action, against undersized novices that are also having their debut. He’s beaten 2 guys that can’t fckin fight. Neither of us know what his stamina is like, durability, heart and mentality, if he doesn’t blast Ben out and starts to feel it physically. People claiming they know how good he is are full of shit unless they are his coaches or sparring partners

Bens not out boxing anyone, but he’s fit, durable, experienced, and had been a professional fighter for many years. He’s been hit by far harder punchers than jake, with 4 oz gloves. If I had confidence that jake could easily fight for 8 rounds at a steady pace, I’d strongly favour him. But we don’t actually know if he can, and I know how 8 rounds in the ring actually feels. A part time boxer is unlikely to be anywhere near the fitness level of an elite level boxer or MMA practitioner

 

[defjaam]

Dwyer's take on the fight.......