Anyone else think Valentina will dominate that division for a long time?

[MarloStanfield]

She is P4P the best WMMA fighter by far. Also technically more well rounded and better than 98% of the male fighters.

The way she bashed that chick I honestly was thinking she could beat the shit out of me easily and I’m a Sherdogger

 

[nhbfan8080]

The way she bashed that chick I honestly was thinking she could beat the shit out of me easily and I’m a Sherdogger

I don't get all the meh responses in this thread as well. Shevchenko is legit world class striker with a well rounded judo grappling game and still people are talking as if she is barely hanging on to a championship belt because of a weak women's division.

 

[po_thead]

She is P4P the best WMMA fighter by far. Also technically more well rounded and better than 98% of the male fighters.

This, & she rolls everyone. The title fight will be hilarious

 

[MarloStanfield]

I don't get all the meh responses in this thread as well. Shevchenko is legit world class striker with a well rounded judo grappling game and still people are talking as if she is barely hanging on to a championship belt because of a weak women's division.

She’s a beast no doubt

 

[JarlSkuld]

About the same - they'e both pointless divisions created with a particular individual in mind.that don' have the talent pool to stretch out a real Top 5.

No. I'm a fan of WMMA and I won't waste one second defending 145. It is, as you say, a joke division created really to accomodate one fighter. But, 125 will eventually be the deepest women's division in the UFC. After the UFC poaches Invicta's 125 roster and all of the larger 115ers and small 135ers decide to fight at their natural weight, it will fill out nicely and be competitive (way more so than men's HW and LHW, for example).

And, let's talk about how dominant Valentina's reign could be AFTER she wins the belt.

Jarl

 

[aerius]

And, let's talk about how dominant Valentina's reign could be AFTER she wins the belt.

Jarl

True enough. Because at this point, we don't even know when or even if she's going to get a title shot. UFC matchmaking is fickle to say the least, and for all we know they might put her on the Demian Maia track where it takes 4-5 years to work her way back to a title shot after losing a title fight at a higher weight class. They'd be fucking stupid to do that with Valentina, but those buttmunches in the back room aren't exactly known for their brains and they're still trying to get PVZ to the top.

 

[Thepaintbucket]

Look at the competition in the division. Who is going to give her trouble atm?

 

[UhHuhSure]

Probably. She should have gotten the decision vs Nunes too.

 

[Eater of Souls]

I think 125 is going to be “the division” for WMMA

Agree. Yes, I think Val will become champion, and I think she can hold the title for a while, but anything can happen. Nicco is tougher than many people give her credit for, and her record does not reflect her TUF wins (over highly-ranked prospects and vets). Jennifer Maia presents a decent challenge, and while Davis cannot strike at all compared to Val, she has a lot of top-level grappling experience and is a very crafty veteran. So the division is not as shallow as some people would have you think.

 

[Eater of Souls]

Nah

It took her ten minutes to finish a drug addict who wasn't even fighting back

Let's see how she against an actual fighter at 125 first

Maia beats her

Again you lie. Her opponent may have been a former drug addict, but you continue to display the integrity of a crack-whore and you have no excuse.

 

[Eater of Souls]

True. But Joanna cuts to make 115. Valentina cuts for 125. She is clearly the bigger fighter.

They used to both fight at 125, and the cut to 115 is very hard for JJ. Val walks around at 135. So no, she is not clearly the bigger fighter. Shevchenko cut five pounds to make weight.

 

[Eater of Souls]

Andrade is the kind of fighter that Shevchenko is trained to wreck. Despite how strong she is, Jessica has a pretty poor clinch game and was controlled fairly easily by Joanna there. Valentina's clinch game is quite a bit better than Joanna's, once she gets the clinch on Andrade it's going to be a Silva vs. Franklin level mismatch.



Maia is somewhere around Sarah Kaufman's level. Her fundamentals are decent and she has good fighting instincts but she doesn't have the reads & setups of the elite level fighters like Nunes or Shevchenko. She's not going to win unless she can pull a Danielle Taylor and air punch her way to a shady decision.

Dimspace is probably still trolling. He has admitted to doing so. And he is probably still crying from being called out for being full of shit about both drug testing and statistics.

 

[aerius]

Dimspace is probably still trolling. He has admitted to doing so. And he is probably still crying from being called out for being full of shit about both drug testing and statistics.

I thought he was just misguided, then I read his post in the other thread and realized he's a fucktard. It was so mind-blowingly stupid that it doesn't even warrant a response. It was literally the kind of shit we get from the most rabid of BJ Penn fanboys.

 

[Eater of Souls]

I thought he was just misguided, then I read his post in the other thread and realized he's a fucktard. It was so mind-blowingly stupid that it doesn't even warrant a response. It was literally the kind of shit we get from the most rabid of BJ Penn fanboys.

After that he claimed to be trolling on twitter (then blocked me when I pointed out his lack of character).
Other issues:
1. He claimed that a fighter would have to smoke weed within 48 hours of drug testing to fail. When I pointed out that weight cutting and dehydration changes this (via release of THC metabolites from adipocytes) as well as changes in hydration levels and levels of ACTH all skew the test, and backed this up with evidence and research, he ran from the thread.
2. When he looked at the standard deviation of testing failures and "concluded" that USADA was serving as a deterrent, I pointed out how this was not true. This took some number of posts. So many, in fact, that I called my wife over to make sure I was not just missing something obvious (yes, it seemed that stupid). She is a biochemist and former researcher for the WHO. She was somewhat less than complementary of his "conclusion."
3. I blasted him over the incredible statistical failure rate of USADA (about 2-4% success, depending on how you draw your data) and he became quite irate. In each of the above cases, I pointed out his actual lack of knowledge of not only the specific science involved, but the actual scientific method and his lack of intellectual integrity.

At the end of the day, he is just a pathetic bitch who cannot admit when he does not know something or makes a mistake. And yeah, this irritates me. I am 50 fucking years old, which means through law of averages, I have fucked up far more than most posters here. So what? Shit happens, be a man and own it. Tomorrow will be a new day, and there will be plenty of mistakes to go around for all of us. But he will keep making the same ones because he cannot acknowledge them, and that is just pathetic. I seem to recall being disciplined for this as a child.

 

[aerius]

Getting back on topic, assuming Valentina wins the title this year and stays healthy & active for the next few years it's not going to be easy to beat her. She's not going to be like Demetrious Johnson where I can't even think of a potential path to victory for opponents; I can see some possible ways to beat her but the odds aren't that good. I don't know the 125 division nearly as well as 115 or 135 so I can't say there isn't a fighter with the skill set to do it, I don't know of one but that doesn't mean she doesn't exist.

I think Valentina's biggest threat would be a strong top control wrestler with a good enough striking game to get in range for a power double or single leg takedown. Basically, a female version of Josh Koscheck or Khabib. Clinch takedown are going to be questionable against her given her MT and Judo background along with her strong base, going after her legs is going to be the best way to get her down. Get her down, keep her down, run out the clock.

 

[teddy078]

I can see some possible ways to beat her but the odds aren't that good. I don't know the 125 division nearly as well as 115 or 135 so I can't say there isn't a fighter with the skill set to do it, I don't know of one but that doesn't mean she doesn't exist.

I think Valentina's biggest threat would be a strong top control wrestler with a good enough striking game to get in range for a power double or single leg takedown.

Tatiana Suarez

Shev has two other weaknesses.

First, she engaged grapplling exchange when she shouldn't in the past. Crafty ground fighters like Alexis Davis have a chance if Shev follows the fight to the ground.

Second, her low output against other top strikers could cost her fights due to close decision. JJ could have a chance if her chin holds up at 125, Ariane Lipski is still a raw talent but her KO punching power could force Shev into super low output mode again.

 

[Askafan]

How can anyone compete with a mythical human, It’s like watching some unbelievable historical figure that’s never existed before, a once in a lifetime human being.

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

I guess that's fair enough... But until they fill the divisions, do we have to watch amateurs on the main card?

We're already watching amateur men on main cards these days anyway

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

So what the living fuck was she doing fighting a crack head in a title eliminator?

It was never a title eliminator, the Brazilian girl would never be in mix (theoretically if she won we'd see Nicco v Sarge not her) it was a squash match for Shevchenko highlight reel, to sell the dominant killer Bullet at 125 for her TS. She's the new Francis ford escort, women's A level athlete now.

 

[Quietus]

depends on if they just feed her more cans from TUF, or have a seasoned vet from 135 come down and fight her for it.