Anyone else miss Japan?

[Xuh]

RIZIN exists, OP.
You should check it out.

 

[colorles]

RIZIN exists, OP.
You should check it out.

why

 

[ilfirin]

Miss PRIDE all the time. My only regret is not actually going to watch it live as I was living there (towards the end of things though).

 

[regmma123]

Ironically that one was held in a boxing ring(always been terrible for MMA btw but that's another topic).

Actually the Greeks had the right idea all along. Stadiums filled with excited people watching fights goes back a long way, and it is essentially how MMA started.

The shyness and clapping is cute. Go watch Japanese MMA if you want the soft side.

Japanese appreciate skill . Western fans are often drunk

 

[Xuh]

why

 

[Beau Wring]

i'm kinda old now, but this one really brings back memories as it was when i first started training and a new gym bro downloaded this for me,

 

[PhilMcCavity]

To this day

Fedor has the best straight right in mma history

There isn't a single fighter who tops that punch

It’s called a cross, bottle nose

 

[BluntForceTrama]

Im all about Inoue now so Im good

 

[mahavishnunj]

 

[Bearknuckle]

Yes it was. It doesn't matter how primitive it was, it was the first version of this sport. You can make the same argument about boxing since it was almost a different sport in the beginning, in fact it had quite a bit of standing grappling in it. But it was still boxing. No boxing fan in the world is gonna tell you that the sport is only as old as the Marquess of Queensberry Rules.

Good that you admit the Ring idea for MMA was idiotic, but you're digging yourself a hole here with these other arguments, so do all these Pride fans. Whatever drama the North American MMA brings, nothing is more outrageous than Japanese MMA. It was cringy. I would never be able to show my friends that format of MMA without getting laughed at. Half ass pro wrestling, even had fixed fights. And I mean you're complaining about the BMF belt. That's what your Pride did, with Minowaman and Sakuraba's stupid fucking kiddy belts. Lets not turn into hypocrites.

No, pankration in itself was wrestling and striking. It wasn’t multiple fighting styles from different parts of the world fighting under 1 “no rules” environment, ie. boxing vs karate, or BJJ vs sambo etc.


and nobody cares about who you show the sport to. You may dislike how mma was in japan, but you know damn well how influential it was to modern mma. Hell, tons of ufc only fans back then would say pride fighters sucked, yet the ufc spent millions to buy out pride hoping to hold events but essentially got nothing, they had to resign contracts for all the same fighters, now suddenly the UFC fans saw the pride fighters as legit lol.

Jmma wasnt embarassing, it was entertainment. And only real mma fans from back then know how great it was. You are probably not even a TUF noob.

 

[Bearknuckle]

Yes it was. It doesn't matter how primitive it was, it was the first version of this sport. You can make the same argument about boxing since it was almost a different sport in the beginning, in fact it had quite a bit of standing grappling in it. But it was still boxing. No boxing fan in the world is gonna tell you that the sport is only as old as the Marquess of Queensberry Rules.

Good that you admit the Ring idea for MMA was idiotic, but you're digging yourself a hole here with these other arguments, so do all these Pride fans. Whatever drama the North American MMA brings, nothing is more outrageous than Japanese MMA. It was cringy. I would never be able to show my friends that format of MMA without getting laughed at. Half ass pro wrestling, even had fixed fights. And I mean you're complaining about the BMF belt. That's what your Pride did, with Minowaman and Sakuraba's stupid fucking kiddy belts. Lets not turn into hypocrites.

Wait , so u did watch jmma, but u think its embarassing?

so saku’s belt was lame but bmf is legit? Also btw, the saku belt was made by saku and he carried it around as his own gimmick. The BMF title was made up by the UFC lol.

imagine the nfl or nba, instead of having the mvp, they have the baddest fuckin player award. Talk about embarrassing. I remember having to explain to my brother in law what BMF stood for, and he laughed like wtf lol.

 

[Strychnine]

Yes. I do indeed miss living there.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

I know

But it's not the same

When pride held the cards

They had the best

It was different

Rizin has lots of great talent, Sakakibara knows how to procure fighters, and the level they have, isn't drastically far off from U Fight Cheap. Where did Jiri come from? Oh yea, Rizin. The veil of superiority is thin. History repeats itself. History knows, the best have never been in one league ever. They're always lurking in the B-leagues. UFC is just a name.

 

[neomage2021]

To this day

Fedor has the best straight right in mma history

There isn't a single fighter who tops that punch

What are you talking about? Fedor throws casting punches that are similar to over hand rights.

HE definitely isn't known for straights/crosses

 

[TheBulge]

No, pankration in itself was wrestling and striking. It wasn’t multiple fighting styles from different parts of the world fighting under 1 “no rules” environment, ie. boxing vs karate, or BJJ vs sambo etc.


and nobody cares about who you show the sport to. You may dislike how mma was in japan, but you know damn well how influential it was to modern mma. Hell, tons of ufc only fans back then would say pride fighters sucked, yet the ufc spent millions to buy out pride hoping to hold events but essentially got nothing, they had to resign contracts for all the same fighters, now suddenly the UFC fans saw the pride fighters as legit lol.

Jmma wasnt embarassing, it was entertainment. And only real mma fans from back then know how great it was. You are probably not even a TUF noob.

Pankration literally had styles competing against eachother despite a (compared to today) a limited MMA ruleset. Some were good at kicking, some good at boxing, some good at slams, some greco roman, some with ground grappling, some with subs. There were boxing-wrestling guys fighting kicks/submission guys just like today.

You're an idiot if you think every fighter back then had the EXACT same skillset as the other, but then again you are the first person I've ever come across who claims MMA hasn't existed since Pankration of the Greeks. Good job showing everyone what the average JMMA fanboy IQ is.

How influential was Japanese MMA to modern MMA, tell me? Whatever you can come up with was already there. It was the Gracies and Brazilian Vale Tudo who deserve that credit, kid.

You know what the ironic thing is? Every negative thing you brought up about MMA today, is directly the influence from old Japanese MMA. LOL. The dumb BMF belt(like Saku and Minowaman's belt). The silly drama(riots in and out of the ring between American & Brazilian camps). All the trash talking like the pro wrestling bits in Pride etc. I can also name a few modern fights I believe seemed fixed, and that is the influence of Yakuza fixing fights in Pride. This is hilarious.

So yes I actually agree with you, I stand corrected. Every negative thing about modern MMA outside of Japan is thanks to old school JMMA influence, and all the good things are not. Glad we are in agreement.

 

[Bobby Boulders]

I keep telling you all that RIZIN has what you crave, and people respond like, "YEAH! Next time there's a card I'm there!!" Then next time there is a card it's me and the same 7 or 8 people in the PBP who are always there. RIZIN 43 was one of the best cards in any org this year, top 2 P4P.

Yall all missing out.

 

[Neck&Neck]

What’s Hatsu Hioki up to these days

 

[Bearknuckle]

Pankration literally had styles competing against eachother despite a (compared to today) a limited MMA ruleset. Some were good at kicking, some good at boxing, some good at slams, some greco roman, some with ground grappling, some with subs. There were boxing-wrestling guys fighting kicks/submission guys just like today.

You're an idiot if you think every fighter back then had the EXACT same skillset as the other, but then again you are the first person I've ever come across who claims MMA hasn't existed since Pankration of the Greeks. Good job showing everyone what the average JMMA fanboy IQ is.

How influential was Japanese MMA to modern MMA, tell me? Whatever you can come up with was already there. It was the Gracies and Brazilian Vale Tudo who deserve that credit, kid.

You know what the ironic thing is? Every negative thing you brought up about MMA today, is directly the influence from old Japanese MMA. LOL. The dumb BMF belt(like Saku and Minowaman's belt). The silly drama(riots in and out of the ring between American & Brazilian camps). All the trash talking like the pro wrestling bits in Pride etc. I can also name a few modern fights I believe seemed fixed, and that is the influence of Yakuza fixing fights in Pride. This is hilarious.

So yes I actually agree with you, I stand corrected. Every negative thing about modern MMA outside of Japan is thanks to old school JMMA influence, and all the good things are not. Glad we are in agreement.

U have reading comprehension, and u probably discovered UFC around the conor mcgregor days. Pankration is not the same as mma. Are you stupid? Mma is different martial arts fighting each other. Pankration itself was 1 martial art. How tf is it mma? Stop making up shit like “some had boxing”, not it was a style of fighting that had striking and grappling, that doesnt make it mma.

You’re the one saying jmma was shitty and i pointed out current ufc does the exact same shit but because its ufc you think its more legit?

you are proving that ufc only fans are dumb meat heads. Again, saku had his own belt he wore as a gimmick, pride didnt announce a fuckin saku belt like dana announced the bmf.

i didnt say jmma invented modern mma, why did u bring up vale tudo? Jmma arguably made mma popular worldwide at a time the ufc was struggling to keep the lights on. Pride had sold out stadiums in the 90s. The ufc had a total of 30 events in 8 years before zuffa even bought it in 2001. You obviously werent around in the 90s to actually understand, but you are an expert at who was a JBG disciple in ancient greece, so who knows.

 

[Oz.Pride]

Ironically that one was held in a boxing ring(always been terrible for MMA btw but that's another topic).

Actually the Greeks had the right idea all along. Stadiums filled with excited people watching fights goes back a long way, and it is essentially how MMA started.

The shyness and clapping is cute. Go watch Japanese MMA if you want the soft side.

You mistake respect for shyness. 'Merricaaa

 

[Hassan Mouzine]

I don't think I've ever felt anything like a Japanese event

I don't think martial arts is meant to be treated like a boxing event

i feel ya. when pride and k1 were both at their peak......full contact martial arts was a spectacle. of course we have ufc and kickboxing orgs outside of japan......but the hey days of pride and k1 were at the same time and it was electrifying.