Crime Antifa attacks Christians the Mayor of Seattle blames Christians

Hog-train said:
And you'd be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. That's the problem.
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Totally worth it. Battery charge. Out with no bail. Mutual combat, case dropped.
 
Deorum said:
If these people weren't so disruptive, obnoxious, and often violent you'd almost have to feel sympathy for them. There is something really wrong here, man.
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Freaks
 
Deorum said:
ANTIFA members are certainly the more overt shitheads between the two and represent an immediate sociopolitical problem. Evangelicals are more insidious and constitute a far larger and more long-term scope. They also represent a virtual plank of a major political party in a way that ANTIFA does not. I'm not opposed to Evangelicalism because I'm anti-Christian or against religion; it's actually quite the opposite, and the strain is an inter/transdenominational problem.



But which religion?

There was one church started by Jesus Christ with a line of apostolic succession that runs from OG disciple Saint Peter in the 1st century to Pope Leo XIV in the 21st with a deep history of theological development spanning from Athanasius to Aquinas. As an institution, its impact on Western ethics, education, law, literature, music, and visual arts is invaluable and unquantifiable; from Dante and Donatello to Michelangelo and Mozart. Up against that stands copious, cancerous offshoots and wonky cults that more than anything else have served to sow confusion and chaos.

1517: Lutheran (Martin Luther)
1525: Anabaptist (Ulrich Zwingli)
1534: Anglican (King Henry VIII)
1536: Calvinist (John Calvin)
1560: Presbyterian (John Knox)
1607: Congregational (Robert Browne)
1609: Baptist (John Smyth)
1738: Methodist (Wesley Brothers)
1830: Mormon (Joseph Smith)
1831: Adventist (William Miller)
1879: Jehovah's Witness (Charles Russell)
1906: Pentecostal (William Seymour)

And those are just the primaries with millions of followers. In the current year, there are an estimated 30,000 different Protestant "Christian" denominations out there in the world claiming legitimacy. Hell, even you or any random Sherbro could start one.
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Good answer. And I agree to a decent extent. I feel that evangelicals have a more extended reach and could ultimately change things more if they got one in power. I don’t think they are as nefarious or dangerous as antifa to your average person. Maybe if you are trans or gay, they might be a threat to your way of life, but when I am walking in some big city, my thoughts are not going to be on “oh no, an evangelical group!” I might actually get excited to see an antifa group acting up, but my luck, I would be with my family and wouldn’t be able to do anything. I see these videos of people doing crazy shit and I see one guy just watching and I always wonder why I can’t be in that guys place and actually be able to do something about it. Not just antifa, but crime in general. I see some woman getting her ass beat by some crazy fuck, I am taking him out. But that shit doesn’t happen around me.
 
nhbbear said:
Cuffs, pretty much all of the leftist that are for a free Palestine and trans for Palestine. If these people were in the Middle East, they would be murdered and they are too dumb to realize that
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Okay I'm well out of my depth when it comes to Israel Palestine. I've never chimed in about it because I simply don't know enough to form an opinion.

Trans for Palestine is a thing? Where did you find that? Haha.
 
fingercuffs said:
Okay I'm well out of my depth when it comes to Israel Palestine. I've never chimed in about it because I simply don't know enough to form an opinion.

Trans for Palestine is a thing? Where did you find that? Haha.
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Heres
Both sides of the argument. Those that laugh at the queers for Palestine movement because they would be put to death there for being gay and the argument that it makes sense for those who are queer/trans to unite with Palestine. What’s funny is that the second article claims there is homophobia everywhere and Palestine should not be singled out. Meanwhile, the author is gay and fled Palestine so he could come out of the closet and talks about how dangerous it is to be gay in Palestine. Here is a quote from him:

Well, I think part of it is that we don’t get to hear their voices as much as we should. Obviously, they exist; obviously, they have voices; obviously, they speak; and if we listen deeply enough, we can hear those voices. So I think that we need to do a better job of amplifying those voices. That is part of it.

Part of it is that a lot of folks are in the closet, and it is too dangerous for them to be visible. The politics of visibility doesn’t resonate with everyone, and it can be very dangerous and problematic for many people. So, I don't impose the politics of visibility on others. But then, there are others who are privileged, such as myself, for whom it is possible to be out and public and visible. And there are other LGBTQ activists for whom that’s the case as well. And so then, we feel a responsibility to help give voice to the voices that are not being heard, that deserve to be heard as well.
https://reason.com/2023/10/27/the-contradictions-of-queers-for-palestine/


https://www.them.us/story/lgbtq-solidarity-palestine-saed-atshan

Well, I think part of it is that we don’t get to hear their voices as much as we should. Obviously, they exist; obviously, they have voices; obviously, they speak; and if we listen deeply enough, we can hear those voices. So I think that we need to do a better job of amplifying those voices. That is part of it.

Part of it is that a lot of folks are in the closet, and it is too dangerous for them to be visible. The politics of visibility doesn’t resonate with everyone, and it can be very dangerous and problematic for many people. So, I don't impose the politics of visibility on others. But then, there are others who are privileged, such as myself, for whom it is possible to be out and public and visible. And there are other LGBTQ activists for whom that’s the case as well. And so then, we feel a responsibility to help give voice to the voices that are not being heard, that deserve to be heard as well.
 
nhbbear said:
Ok, let’s take this different way. 22 years ago was when the war began not quite sure when it ended because it transitioned to Afghanistan. Surely the actions of one man doesn’t permanently tarnish the reputation of millions of evangelicals who are traditionally non violent where as antifa/trantifa is always violent. And we can’t debate whether the violence is direct or immediate because there is simply no comparison when discussing a potus starting a war that leads to a couple thousand dead soldiers and who knows how many in the other side. Bush didn’t directly kill anyone and it wasn’t immediate whereas antifa attacks are immediate and direct.
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4,400 dead United States soldiers and over 32k wounded. It officially ended 12/15/2011. I didn’t get into Afghanistan bc they’re different conflicts.

If we want to talk bad apples I’m all for it, but I don’t think I’ll be able to convince you the same can be true for antifa. when though we can logically assess that not every single person who shows up to counter protest would also fight someone over a maga hat. There are over 200 officially associated antifa groups around the world, if what you’re stating is true we’d see far more evidence of it.

your evangelicals are responsible for wars, forced conversion camps, disowning their own kids and kicking them out of the house, blowing up abortion clinics, murdering doctors, there is a lot of gnarly stuff that has been done by evangelicals.

It is a small percentage of the movement who is responsible for the death and destruction, but that small percentage still manages to do more damage and hurt more people than antifa does
 
DoctorTaco said:
your evangelicals are responsible for wars, forced conversion camps, disowning their own kids and kicking them out of the house, blowing up abortion clinics, murdering doctors, there is a lot of gnarly stuff that has been done by evangelicals.
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Yuck.

 
DoctorTaco said:
your evangelicals are responsible for wars, forced conversion camps, disowning their own kids and kicking them out of the house, blowing up abortion clinics, murdering doctors, there is a lot of gnarly stuff that has been done by evangelicals.

It is a small percentage of the movement who is responsible for the death and destruction, but that small percentage still manages to do more damage and hurt more people than antifa does
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Not if you put Antifa as part of the wider "socialist radical" category.
Now they're part of a group responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths. A lot more than "evangelicals".
 
fingercuffs said:
I watch all the FLDS docs and bought many a book with the Jeffs era but didn't know LDS equated to that big a percentage.
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78 wives, 60 children.

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I'm not particularly intrigued by LDS, but the apparent secrecy around their strict temple ordinances is kind of interesting. What do you know? lol.

 
Deorum said:
78 wives, 60 children.

Warren_Steed_Jeffs_%28FBI%29.webp


I'm not particularly intrigued by LDS, but the apparent secrecy around their strict temple ordinances is kind of interesting. What do you know? lol.

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If you're interested in docos that are just LDS not FLDS Murder Among The Mormons is a good watch. The guy tipped the entire religion on its head.
I was about to say I can't wait for another FLDS doc but they've dispersed into the likes of The Kingstons now.
 
Deorum said:
78 wives, 60 children.

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I'm not particularly intrigued by LDS, but the apparent secrecy around their strict temple ordinances is kind of interesting. What do you know? lol.

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Didn’t he Epstein himself?

Edit:apparently not.
 
DoctorTaco said:
4,400 dead United States soldiers and over 32k wounded. It officially ended 12/15/2011. I didn’t get into Afghanistan bc they’re different conflicts.

If we want to talk bad apples I’m all for it, but I don’t think I’ll be able to convince you the same can be true for antifa. when though we can logically assess that not every single person who shows up to counter protest would also fight someone over a maga hat. There are over 200 officially associated antifa groups around the world, if what you’re stating is true we’d see far more evidence of it.

your evangelicals are responsible for wars, forced conversion camps, disowning their own kids and kicking them out of the house, blowing up abortion clinics, murdering doctors, there is a lot of gnarly stuff that has been done by evangelicals.

It is a small percentage of the movement who is responsible for the death and destruction, but that small percentage still manages to do more damage and hurt more people than antifa does
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All I am saying is that if you took a random sample you are going to find more violent antifa members than evangelicals
 
White Whale said:
Interesting how there have been no Protestants on the Supreme Court For decades when they are the majority of the country.
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It's definitely runs contrary to history. Of the 116 justices appointed since 1789, 92 have been Protestant, 15 Catholic, 8 Jewish, and one with no affiliation.
 
Fox by the Sea said:
Not if you put Antifa as part of the wider "socialist radical" category.
Now they're part of a group responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths. A lot more than "evangelicals".
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Yes, if you change how you classify something then it opens up a new pool of statistics.

“Not if you put evangelicals as part of the wider “theists” category. Now they’re part of a group responsible for billions of lives throughout recorded human history. A lot more than, “antifa””
 
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