Kurt Cobain gun tests

[TheRash]

The "note" seems to be nothing more than a letter to the fans and others close to Nirvana letting them know that he wanted to move on. It was known that he wanted to pursue other things. The pressure of carrying the band, being in the spot light and exhaustion from touring were taking their toll.

The Rome incident wasn't well documented and full of speculation. He was known to be destructive on stage at times, could have been really high or going through withdrawal, and/or may simply have had a "bad day at the office. I don't think that he actually "threatened" to kill himself.

Courtney called emergency services in Rome to save his life. If she wanted him dead she would have just let him die.

Plus the Rome incident was not an accidental heroin overdose (which Kurt had several OD’s at this point), it was a 30 roofies and bottle of champagne. Clearly a suicide attempt.

Sorry man, but Kurt was a severely depressed, severely addicted person that fell victim to suicide. His death is as simple as that.

It sucks, but it happens, even to the most talented and creative minds out there.

 

[Kenshi]

Courtney called emergency services in Rome to save his life. If she wanted him dead she would have just let him die.

Plus the Rome incident was not an accidental heroin overdose (which Kurt had several OD’s at this point), it was a 30 roofies and bottle of champagne. Clearly a suicide attempt.

Sorry man, but Kurt was a severely depressed, severely addicted person that fell victim to suicide. His death is as simple as that.

It sucks, but it happens, even to the most talented and creative minds out there.

Even if we conclude he was suicidal, it doesn’t mean you can conclude that he did commit suicide. It does mean he would’ve been the perfect person to murder/suicide.

The first person to propose the murder theory was the very detective that Courtney herself hired to “look for Kurt”. There are plenty of documentaries and books that cover this subject in detail so I won't go into that. Courtney’s own father even believes she was involved and wrote a book about it.

Eldon Hoke (El Duce) passed a polygraph claiming to have been offered $50K to do the job with “99.91 percent certainty”. He was killed a week later LOL! Something like that is hard to look past.

Kurt definitely had a history of depression and drug abuse but to me it seemed like he was beginning to find his way, especially after becoming a father.

I'm not claiming to know anything with certainty. I just have serious doubts and lean towards the murder theory.

 

[TheRash]

Even if we conclude he was suicidal, it doesn’t mean you can conclude that he did commit suicide. It does mean he would’ve been the perfect person to murder/suicide.

The first person to propose the murder theory was the very detective that Courtney herself hired to “look for Kurt”. There are plenty of documentaries and books that cover this subject in detail so I won't go into that. Courtney’s own father even believes she was involved and wrote a book about it.

Eldon Hoke (El Duce) passed a polygraph claiming to have been offered $50K to do the job with “99.91 percent certainty”. He was killed a week later LOL! Something like that is hard to look past.

Kurt definitely had a history of depression and drug abuse but to me it seemed like he was beginning to find his way, especially after becoming a father.

I'm not claiming to know anything with certainty. I just have serious doubts and lean towards the murder theory.

Why didn’t Courtney just let Kurt die in Rome instead of saving his life?

It would have been a perfect way to kill him, much better than staging a suicide only a few weeks later.

As far as El Duce goes, you know that neo nazi crackhead has absolutely no credibility right? Just a strung out shock rocker looking for any kind of attention.

 

[Jar of Flies]

Wasn’t a great song writer? He’s probably considered one of the best, especially amongst musicians themselves. Reducing Nirvana to some kind of one hit wonder band with the right timing is absurd. Nevermind is one of the most stacked albums of all time. In Utero was no joke either although much heavier and more experimental. That’s not even getting into how great he was at writing lyrics, phrasing and melodies.

I love all of the bands you mentioned so I would in no way put them down but there’s a reason they simply did not transcend the same way and won't stand the test of time. Pearl Jam may have had a bit of mainstream appeal but too many people sounded like Eddie with ease and they were just kind of boring and didn’t evolve much.

I’m a huge fan of AIC, and especially loved Mad Season as well. But they were way too depressing for the average person. Sound Garden was seriously depressing as well. Nirvana’s lyrics although creative and expressive really didn’t mean anything as a whole (they were bits of poetry stitched together that sounded nice). That was a major strength though since it simply complimented the music. Kurt simply had that "It" factor with his style, looks and attitude that were hard to put into words.

As far as how good a guitarist he was I think he’s underrated in that regard too. They had punk rock roots, and weren’t trying to be Van Halen. He was really unorthodox in the way he made chords, strummed and attacked the strings. It gave their songs a painterly touch that is actually hard to reproduce in terms of covering. The way he used effects, feedback and distortion were very creative as well. Also have to mention that he was singing while playing which isn’t the easiest thing to do. Eddie, Layne, and Chris rarely if ever did that or at least had a 2nd/lead guitarist backing them up.

It didn’t hurt that they had a young Dave Grohl on the drums! It was amazing what they accomplished with such a short lived band (about 3-4 years). Not sure if you've actually listened to their albums or just know what you've heard on the radio but I'd highly recommend it. His voice and range really shine on the Unplugged album.

What did Cobain do better than his contemporaries?

Vocals? He wasn’t in the same stratosphere as Cornell, Staley, or Vedder.

Guitar? He was solid, but Cantrell was worlds better than him and Thayil and Mcready were better technically than he was.

Songwriting? Subjective, but I’ve never heard anyone say Nirvana spoke for them the way AiC or Soundgarden did.

I stand by my statement that Kurt was talented but was more of a product of being in the right place at the right time.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

I dont know why its so hard for people to accept he killed himself. All he ever did was complain about life.


The whole justice for kurt thing is a bunch of crap.

"He was on a letal dose of heroin"

He was a fuckin rockstar. Kinda like an alcoholic can function with a bac of .4 when thats gonna put a normal person passed out. Do 8balls of heroin everyday you can be alert on a high dose

This video even the guy admits it wouldnt be hard to do. If youve ever held a shot gun you could for sure shoot yourself in the face if you wanted to.

Everyone loves conspiracy theories.

 

[mb23100]

I never bought into the conspiracy stuff here

**Side note** I never knew his daughter married Tony Hawk's son. That's crazy because Tony was in the Weird Al spoof Smells Like Nirvana video before he was famous.

 

[GergreG]

El Duce knew the truth. They had him killed for it....

And after that the interview was over....

Why didn't they buy him a beer? He was ready to talk.

 

[mozfonky]

What did Cobain do better than his contemporaries?

Vocals? He wasn’t in the same stratosphere as Cornell, Staley, or Vedder.

Guitar? He was solid, but Cantrell was worlds better than him and Thayil and Mcready were better technically than he was.

Songwriting? Subjective, but I’ve never heard anyone say Nirvana spoke for them the way AiC or Soundgarden did.

I stand by my statement that Kurt was talented but was more of a product of being in the right place at the right time.

you're probably right, and that's all it takes some of the time.