Anti-guard shinlock

[flyingknee16]

Sakuraba

 

[Mirada]

from those pictures it looks like you could:


-Hip out to the side, alleviating the pressure.
-Kick his arm off with your other foot.
-Get your arm drag on.
-And of course work a triangle.

 

[flyingknee16]

I've never tapped out to a quasimodo either, and it is true you can work for a triangle when they try to do it...

 

[Dominic Kihlstrand]

The only way i could see this working, is to throw it on so fast and so hard, that your not looking for the guy to tap, but to break the ankle. Its mean, rude, and uncool, so dont do it in training. But if your a beast like that, and dont mind playing dirty (i hate playing dirty) you could damage the persons ankle. But other than that there is a good chance of a triangle if you fail, or he has flexible feet.

 

[migo**]

The pictures are so much easier to understand. With moving your hip to aleviate the pressure you could block it with your right knee, and hold down on his left leg to keep him from kicking your arm off, that would also make the triangle harder to set up.

 

[flyingknee16]

Dominic brings up a good point. A lot of the shinlocks and moves that are taught in catch seem very painful for your training partner even to ATTEMPT. I even have qualms about crossfacing my opponents when I am sitting in their guard or half guard, and this kind of stuff is even worse. What do you guys think about this? Do you guys have any qualms about using these kind of techniques, or is it all kosher for you guys?

 

[Dominic Kihlstrand]

I always believe that you should be training the way you fight, but lighter.

How do you crossface someone in their guard? Well anyway...

You should use all techniques, but just do not try to make your partner tap. For example, if I am rolling around and i get a heel hook, i will put the heel in my elbow, and just warn him, "watch for the heel hook". I NEVER crank it, I always let him try to escape while I try to keep him in the same place. Cause I know that if I ever get in that position in a fight, I'm twisting that leg till it comes off, and I'm going to keep it as a trophy(slight exageration). Another example, if I get the armbar from the top, and I am sitting off to his side trying to work his arms apart, ill try hard, but the MOMENT I feel his hands give, and I am about to extend his elbow, I let go. Too many hyper extended elbows because people try to finish their partners in training. So yeah, in my opinion go ahead and cross face, heel hook, ankle lock. Do whatever technique you are going to use, but there are 3 rules I go by.

#1 Try not to use strength, as if to hurt the guy. If your crossfacing, and he moans or something, let up a little, your just training.
#2 Try not to submit your opponent, but get as many really close submissions. For example, I will go from an armbar from guard, I almost make him tap, then I release and try to go for a triangle, almost make him tap, go for a kimura, sweep, anything you want. Transitions are a huge part of grappling.
and number 3, the most important rule in my book
#3 Use common sense, and don't be a douche bag.

 

[SmashiusClay]

The only way i could see this working, is to throw it on so fast and so hard, that your not looking for the guy to tap, but to break the ankle. Its mean, rude, and uncool, so dont do it in training. But if your a beast like that, and dont mind playing dirty (i hate playing dirty) you could damage the persons ankle. But other than that there is a good chance of a triangle if you fail, or he has flexible feet.

There's no need to try and snap the guy's leg when trying this one you just need to get the move tight and have the ankle extended before he knows what you're trying, once you've got position its very difficult to twist out or attempt a triangle, for training go fast but without excessive pressure and once the ankle go tight either very slowly crank on pressure till they tap or just release once you know it would have worked.

 

[Waxwingslain]

Very interesting indeed. Thanks for the link Superbeast!

 

[VagabondMusashi]

regardless of what happens, that is the easiest guard opener I

 

[FiveByFive]

I've never tapped out to a quasimodo either, and it is true you can work for a triangle when they try to do it...

You would probably tap to this: http://www.geocities.com/josephgarza/tech010.html

Looks quite brutal. This guy's page has some good stuff. He's the person who illustrated the original technique mentioned.

 

[flyingknee16]

You would probably tap to this: http://www.geocities.com/josephgarza/tech010.html

Looks quite brutal. This guy's page has some good stuff. He's the person who illustrated the original technique mentioned.

Damn. That looks like it hurts dude.

 

[Dominic Kihlstrand]

regardless of what happens, that is the easiest guard opener I

 

[thecas]

One more.. if he turns so much sideways to work on ya legs, then u may grab his gi to try to take his back

 

[SideMountKimura]

Dude, Saku is not a catch wrestler. He's a submission wrestler but I wouldn't say he was a catch guy. He doesn't use any of the subs or setups that guys like Tony C. uses. He's a smart and innovative grappler, but I wouldn't say he's a catch wrestler, especially if Tony is a hooker and is supposed to be THE man for catch stuff.

Sak may not be a catch wrestler per say, but he is a pro wrestler and catch wrestling and traditional pro wrestling do have a common ancestor.

 

[VagabondMusashi]

I will have to post up a video of myself doing my guard opener. So much easier. I dont understand why oppening the guard is hard for some people. But probably on tuesday, I will try to up a video or a great guard opener, if you want it.

do it. do it

 

[flyingknee16]

I always believe that you should be training the way you fight, but lighter.

How do you crossface someone in their guard? Well anyway...

Oops, what I meant was putting my forearm and digging it across their face when I am in top guard.

 

[Bry Guy]

haha, that move cracks me up. i always try to trap the guy on tops' arm with my foot to set up the triangle, and it looks just like that. jjm showed it in one of his book on how to set up a triangle. seems like a pretty impractacle move for the guy on top, unless he's going against someone with no experience. but hey, i guess it's worth trying if you can get it to work

 

[Masakatsu Funaki #1]

Sakuraba is a catch wrestler. Dont let them fool you. I can get in-depth if you'd like?
Saku is to Catch Wrestling as Fedor is to Judo, and I always see people backing up Fedor's Judo statues. Dont play yourself.

 

[flyingknee16]

Sakuraba is a catch wrestler. Dont let them fool you. I can get in-depth if you'd like?
Saku is to Catch Wrestling as Fedor is to Judo, and I always see people backing up Fedor's Judo statues. Dont play yourself.

Okay. Maybe I am mistaken. But I've been watching Tony cecchine's Lost Art of Hooking DVDs, and I came to the conclusion that if Tony is a hooker, in fact one of the only hookers of this art alive, then I figured the things he did would be what catch was all about. 90% of the subs he shows on his DVDs I've never even seen Sakuraba attempt. A lot of shit on Tony C's dvds, he muscles, and boy does he muscle like crazy.

If you would play the analogy that Sak is to Catch as Fedor is to Judo, maybe I'd buy that. I know everyone calls Sakuraba a catch wrestler. If he is, I'm guessing it's from his attitude in grappling (ie never pulling guard, turtling a lot, etc). But as far as his subs go, I've never seen him do anything that actually set catch apart from BJJ, for me at least.

Keep in mind I'm basing this off what I've seen on Tony C's DVDs, which I thought were ae good source for catch stuff since he's supposed to be a hooker, but correct me if I'm wrong guys.