ANT-MAN Thread v.2 (Dragonlord's Review)

[vcmmafan]

Quite obviously this is a perspective thing.

So is thinking Cap 1 is arguable the best phase 1 movie :icon_lol:

I just hope DC doesn't fuck up their new cinematic universe.
Shit man they made a kick ass Animated universe (the original DCAU) and out performed Marvel's animation but now with the live movies its been the opposite case the last few years.

 

[CoolB]

I just hope DC doesn't fuck up their new cinematic universe.
Shit man they made a kick ass Animated universe (the original DCAU) and out performed Marvel's animation but now with the live movies its been the opposite case the last few years.

Dc's animation is fantastic but I don't think I can get excited anymore for real dc movies the way I do for marvel movies. The marvel movies are just consistently more fun. This isn't to say I want dc to fail. I'd love to see an epic justice league movie.

 

[highkicknomore]

Good fun movie. Douglas backstory was the best. Villain sucked.

7/10

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

Update: July 18, 2015

ANT-MAN Nabs Second-Smallest Marvel Friday With $22.6M

According to studio estimates, Ant-Man earned $22.6 million from 3,856 locations on Friday, including $6.4 million from Thursday evening shows. That marks the second-lowest opening day in MCU history, topping only the $21.5 million of 2008

 

[Wovoka]

Enjoyed it. I went with poeple who hate comic movies and they gave it the thumbs up as well.

 

[Tebowned]

Quite obviously this is a perspective thing.

So is thinking Cap 1 is arguable the best phase 1 movie :icon_lol:

Cap 1 grew on me after a repeated watch. It might be because I liked his character in Cap 2 though.
He seemed like a meathead in Cap 1 just without the meat.

 

[JBSchroeds]

To chime in on the RT score. I personally hate the the tomatometer. It may be currently sitting at 79%, but the actual average rating is a 6.8/10. And this isn't at all an isolated case; the tomatometer is usually either much higher or much lower than the actual review average. To use the MCU films as an example of this effect:

Ant-Man: 79%, 6.8/10 (+11)
Avengers: 92%, 8/10 (+12)
Avengers2: 74%, 6.7/10 (+7)
Cap1: 79%, 6.9/10 (+10)
Cap2: 89%, 7.5/10 (+14)
IM: 94%, 7.7/10 (+17)
IM2: 72%, 6.5/10 (+7)
IM3: 79%, 7/10 (+9)
Thor: 77%, 6.7/10 (+10)
Thor2: 66%, 6.2/10 (+4)

That's a median of a full 10pts higher on the tomatometer than the actual average score.

This system leads to movies like Godzilla getting "Certified Fresh" even though the Top Critic average rating is only a 6.4/10 which is a decidedly "meh" kind of score. Then there's movies like Terminator Genisys that get a Top Critic percent of 24% but a 4.9/10 score. That's not a good score, but it's double the percentage. This is why I prefer Metacritic's presentation giving a score as primary and then a Positive/Mixed/Negative chart as secondary.

 

[workdiggitz]

just got back from the movie.
i thought it was great.
funny, not overly long or serious, had its dramatic moments and had great pacing.
alot of people wrote the movie off just because... well just because...
but if you can give it a chance it turns out to be quite a good movie

 

[Tebowned]

To chime in on the RT score. I personally hate the the tomatometer. It may be currently sitting at 79%, but the actual average rating is a 6.8/10. And this isn't at all an isolated case; the tomatometer is usually either much higher or much lower than the actual review average. To use the MCU films as an example of this effect:

Ant-Man: 79%, 6.8/10 (+11)
Avengers: 92%, 8/10 (+12)
Avengers2: 74%, 6.7/10 (+7)
Cap1: 79%, 6.9/10 (+10)
Cap2: 89%, 7.5/10 (+14)
IM: 94%, 7.7/10 (+17)
IM2: 72%, 6.5/10 (+7)
IM3: 79%, 7/10 (+9)
Thor: 77%, 6.7/10 (+10)
Thor2: 66%, 6.2/10 (+4)

That's a median of a full 10pts higher on the tomatometer than the actual average score.

This system leads to movies like Godzilla getting "Certified Fresh" even though the Top Critic average rating is only a 6.4/10 which is a decidedly "meh" kind of score. Then there's movies like Terminator Genisys that get a Top Critic percent of 24% but a 4.9/10 score. That's not a good score, but it's double the percentage. This is why I prefer Metacritic's presentation giving a score as primary and then a Positive/Mixed/Negative chart as secondary.

That's kind of what RT is known for.

 

[BJJ NINJA]

I saw it yesterday, I'll give it a 8.5/10.

It was a pretty damn enjoyable movie. I do agree that it has a lot of parallels in the storyline with Iron Man, there are a lot of similarities.

But the tone of the movie is a bit more unique. Really funny. Paul Rudd was real good, didn't think he would be, but he was. Also, until he proves otherwise, I wanna call cgi on those abs!

It's probably gonna have high rewatchability. The only real weak point in my mind might be yellow jacket. The dude who becomes yellow jacket was a good villain, but I think him as yellow jacket was a bit weak.

Kinda how Obadiah was cool but iron monger was just ok in iron man.

Good movie though, I'm glad it was good.

 

[Polish Machine]

Cap 1 is arguably the best Phase 1 movie excluding The Avengers.

Iron Man still holds that mantle, imo.

I thought Cap 1 was awful. Thank god Cap 2 was great.

 

[liljoe]

That's kind of what RT is known for.

Yeah, Thats ok actually. With RT if I see a movie has at least 70% or more I'm confident it will be a solid movie. 90% and up is reserved for breakout hits and Oscar caliber stuff. I like RT.

 

[armbarforhire]

Meh.

A by the numbers Marvel Studios Film incluiding the generic villain that looks just like the generic villains from the Iron Man movies.

Also felt the plot was really really weak (Pym getting generic robber to destroy his enterprise in a very complex heist operation).

Its also the film that most departs from continuity, (it doesnt bother me, but some people tend to rate MSU films higher because of it compared to Fox films, so this one should not get that extra).

On par with Iron man 2, 3.

 

[Bradshaw]

Just saw it enjoyed the movie. When I like a movie it is hard for me to find many faults. Gave it just under an 8. Guess I could never be a good critic.

 

[Substance Abuse]

I thought Cap 1 was great from a character development perspective. The action was severely lacking. I think Ant Man is much, much better than Iron Man 2 & 3.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

Agreed on it being better than iron man 1 & 2

 

[DsO]

Meh.

A by the numbers Marvel Studios Film incluiding the generic villain that looks just like the generic villains from the Iron Man movies.

Also felt the plot was really really weak (Pym getting generic robber to destroy his enterprise in a very complex heist operation).

Its also the film that most departs from continuity, (it doesnt bother me, but some people tend to rate MSU films higher because of it compared to Fox films, so this one should not get that extra).

On par with Iron man 2, 3.

Where does it depart from continuity? And the fox men films at this point have no continuity that's just a fact. Plus the fox men films cant really be considered x men films if you have read the comics. X1 and 2 are prolly the closest to resembling the comics. Still would call those wolverine men though.

Also did anyone else notice that the ending to the boring, imo, dofp basically means that the characters from the original trilogy cant die in any of the upcoming films set in the past. Since when wolverine went back to the future they are all alive. Unless more time travel is brought into the mix.

X1, 2 and 3 connect while first class and dofp connect is what I meant. None of the others connect to each other or these connect to each other without some serious continuity issues.

 

[JBSchroeds]

Opening weekend estimates are out [LINK]. We're looking at a slightly underwhelming $58mil (projections put it at $60-65). That's enough to open at #1 but it barely avoids being the worst opening for an MCU, just beating out The Incredible Hulk's $55.4mil opener. Another worrying number is the poor per-theater average. To compare:
Ant-Man $15,052 avg
Thor 2 $22,322 avg
Cap 2 $24,130 avg
GotG $23,118 avg
Hulk $15,810 avg

That's the worst theater average out of any MCU film so far. Using three examples to project the final domestic gross:
Legs like Hulk: $141.1mil
Legs like Thor 2: $139.7mil
Legs like Cap 2: $158.7mil

If I had to guess I'd put it in the $145-150mil range; it has had a better reception than Thor 2 but not on Cap 2's level.

That total is only about $10-15mil more than Incredible Hulk, but Ant-Man has two advantages. First, it's foreign take will be much higher than Hulk's which was just $128.6mil (Ant-Man already has $56.4mil). And second it had a budget of just $130mil compared to Hulk's $150mil. So Hulk will remain the worst MCU financial performance.

 

[PRIDEWASBETTER]

Agreed on it being better than iron man 1 & 2

You mean 2 & 3...right?

 

[liljoe]

Opening weekend estimates are out [LINK]. We're looking at a slightly underwhelming $58mil (projections put it at $60-65). That's enough to open at #1 but it barely avoids being the worst opening for an MCU, just beating out The Incredible Hulk's $55.4mil opener. Another worrying number is the poor per-theater average. To compare:
Ant-Man $15,052 avg
Thor 2 $22,322 avg
Cap 2 $24,130 avg
GotG $23,118 avg
Hulk $15,810 avg

That's the worst theater average out of any MCU film so far. Using three examples to project the final domestic gross:
Legs like Hulk: $141.1mil
Legs like Thor 2: $139.7mil
Legs like Cap 2: $158.7mil

If I had to guess I'd put it in the $145-150mil range; it has had a better reception than Thor 2 but not on Cap 2's level.

That total is only about $10-15mil more than Incredible Hulk, but Ant-Man has two advantages. First, it's foreign take will be much higher than Hulk's which was just $128.6mil (Ant-Man already has $56.4mil). And second it had a budget of just $130mil compared to Hulk's $150mil. So Hulk will remain the worst MCU financial performance.

Anything over $150mil. would be a triumph considering how much people have ridiculed the very concept of this movie.