Another tipping thread. Who is wrong here?

[PainIsLIfe]

Discuss without making it war room please.

Store owner is clearly wrong.

That kid was much more patient than I would be. As soon as he said he'd back hand me fist would have flown, maybe sooner.

Btw, wasn't this posted to the war room?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I don't think the owner would have bugged out for pickup. I think it's dine in. I don't pay tips for pickup. F that.

I usually tip 2 or 3 bucks for takeout if it's waitresses running the till just because I know their being paid shit,

 

[Cajun]

That's on the owner, though. I've always thought it was bullshit that these owners are counting on the customers to pay their employees. Bake that shit into the price of the food.

I've been in restaurants where the tip is added automatically. And I've seen people get upset about that LOL. I know that the restaurant business is low margin. That's why most fail. But ultimately I don't care if we change the system. But currently that's the system we have so I find it terrible when people don't tip

 

[Crazy Source]

I've been in restaurants where the tip is added automatically. And I've seen people get upset about that LOL. I know that the restaurant business is low margin. That's why most fail. But ultimately I don't care if we change the system. But currently that's the system we have so I find it terrible when people don't tip

I agree, and I generally over-tip. I've worked in the industry, so I understand how hard those people work.

 

[Rob Battisti]

I’m having this be a part of my future “it’s all so tiresome” thread. Tipping culture is insane. I was at the pediatrician for my son and at checkout there was a tip option.

 

[Rob Battisti]

I agree, and I generally over-tip. I've worked in the industry, so I understand how hard those people work.

I tip 20% for dine in. Nothing for take out.

 

[Crazy Source]

I tip 20% for dine in. Nothing for take out.

Right on. I may have tipped a couple of times when I picked up on a busy night and they were visibly in the weeds.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Right on. I may have tipped a couple of times when I picked up on a busy night and they are visibly in the weeds.

True. A dollar here or there. I’m not soulless but I’m not tipping when literally no one is busy and I’m just grabbing a bag.

 

[Cajun]

I’m having this be a part of my future “it’s all so tiresome” thread. Tipping culture is insane. I was at the pediatrician for my son and at checkout there was a tip option.

What the?!

 

[BlankaPresident]

Do you really think every industry should be a straight pay from the employer industry? Commission? Referral? Etc.

Performance-based payments are welcome and should be encouraged, but not in a way that you can't reach a bare minimum without them.

They're part of the restaurant business. It's not like they're independent workers offering an optional and separated service to customers.

 

[BlankaPresident]

Everybody keeps saying "you should just pay a living wage." Thing is: in the US, the restaurant industry is super hard and most fail. We have reached an equilibrium with rents and costs that if a restaurant actually paid a living wage to the waiters, it would be impossible to stay in business.

The high failure rate is everywhere independent of pay model. It's a harsh business.

I find it really strange that no restaurants in the US decide to raise the prices and the pay of the waiters so there is no need to tip, and advertise as such. The average net bill would be the same anyway. There seems to be enough people annoyed at tipping culture that such tipless places could thrive. Maybe it's an inertia problem.

Ehhhhhh.

I dunno. I'm torn.

Go to Europe and watch the customer service. Beg for drinks. Beg for your check. Servers literally give no fucks.

At least here the server tries to earn the tip by providing excellent service.

I guess you may be right though. I've seen service going to COMPLETE SHIT over the last 5 years and the servers feel entitled to 20% regardless of their effort.

Hmmm.

I for one prefer that way, as long as waiters are polite and ready to answer when called. The american way of waiters ostensibly interrupting, offering stuff all the time and asking if everything is ok is so awkard.

Different culture, hard to judge.

 

[Gamer2k4]

Said it a hundred times, fuck tipping off completely and charge more for the food to bump the wages up of the staff. If it gets to expensive to eat out, then buy food and cook yourself.

I find it really strange that no restaurants in the US decide to raise the prices and the pay of the waiters so there is no need to tip, and advertise as such. The average net bill would be the same anyway. There seems to be enough people annoyed at tipping culture that such tipless places could thrive. Maybe it's an inertia problem.

They've tried that in several places in the US and it just doesn't work. Customers don't come as often due to sticker shock, and the best servers leave because they're no longer getting rewarded for their extra effort. Then you're left with bad employees, who need to be let go, which means hiring more people, which means training more people, and in the meantime your customers perceive that the prices are higher and the service is worse, so they come even less often.

If there was a nationwide law that banned tipping, that could work. But doing it one restaurant at a time will always fail.

 

[Cajun]

I for one prefer that way, as long as waiters are polite and ready to answer when called. The american way of waiters ostensibly interrupting, offering stuff all the time and asking if everything is ok is so awkard.

Different culture, hard to judjudge

There are some cultural things of course. You go through a drive through in North Carolina where there is no tip and they will chat away being friendly. Ive also lived in Massachusetts where even at the checkout line they don't care enough to say hello. But sounds like you judging bruh

 

[Crazy Source]

Performance-based payments are welcome and should be encouraged, but not in a way that you can't reach a bare minimum without them.

They're part of the restaurant business. It's not like they're independent workers offering an optional and separated service to customers.

Which makes the loophole ridiculous. It's allowed in the Fair Labor Standards Act, which is a great law that protects overtime pay and child labor and other important things. I'm not sure how this clause that lets servers get paid shit got in there, but I'm sure there is a story behind it. I have some reading to do.

 

[Crazy Source]

There are some cultural things of course. You go through a drive through in North Carolina where there is no tip and they will chat away being friendly. Ive also lived in Massachusetts where even at the checkout line they don't care enough to say hello. But sounds like you judging bruh

Good peeps in North Carolina! And good 'cue, where pig is king!

 

[Cajun]

Good peeps in North Carolina! And good 'cue, where pig is king!

I had been living in Massachusetts for a number of years before I moved my ex-fiance out there. It had been a while I guess since I had been in the South but good grief those people were friendly.

 

[BlankaPresident]

But sounds like you judging bruh

Yeah, I am. Maybe it's not that hard.

 

[Crazy Source]

They've tried that in several places in the US and it just doesn't work. Customers don't come as often due to sticker shock, and the best servers leave because they're no longer getting rewarded for their extra effort. Then you're left with bad employees, who need to be let go, which means hiring more people, which means training more people, and in the meantime your customers perceive that the prices are higher and the service is worse, so they come even less often.

If there was a nationwide law that banned tipping, that could work. But doing it one restaurant at a time will always fail.

These are great points. And a good server can make serious bank. Those people would be getting the shaft. Tipping culture is baked into American culture at this point, I suppose.

I think this whole thread just points out the obvious: Black people don't tip well.

 

[NoSmilez]

Store owner is clearly wrong.

That kid was much more patient than I would be. As soon as he said he'd back hand me fist would have flown, maybe sooner.

Btw, wasn't this posted to the war room?

Nah it was in another forum. I didn’t want it to devolve to a race thing. There is a stigma that Black folks tend to overtip or don’t tip.

I usually tip 2 or 3 bucks for takeout if it's waitresses running the till just because I know their being paid shit,

You are a good person

 

[SurferH2O]

Ohhhhh... a "tipping" thread... yeah... I do 15% - 20%.