Another tipping thread. Who is wrong here?

[MTT]

The pal should have bonked the resturant owner on the head with his skateboard.

 

[nhbbear]

Laughable. Loads of bitches in this one. Yeah, not tipping is a prick move but homeboy can’t follow someone down the street and threaten to smack the shit out of them like that. What really amused me is how afraid the camera guy was of the little Asian dude and then when he finally leaves them alone, camera dude becomes tough and vocal again. Owner is so lucky they didn’t decide to gang up on him. Again, I could understand if this was a dime n dash situation but it was over a stupid $ 4 tip (20%).

 

[Hog-train]

Everybody keeps saying "you should just pay a living wage." Thing is: in the US, the restaurant industry is super hard and most fail. We have reached an equilibrium with rents and costs that if a restaurant actually paid a living wage to the waiters, it would be impossible to stay in business.

You can complain all you want about the stupidity of the tipping system, but that is what we have here. The wait staff relies on tips in this country, so not tipping is a piece of shit move. It's kind of in the social contract we all live by in the country - tip your waiters. If you can't afford that, don't eat out.

Saying all that, the restaurant guy has moronic street smarts. That guy with the skateboard could have easily smashed him.

 

[MTT]

Everybody keeps saying "you should just pay a living wage." Thing is: in the US, the restaurant industry is super hard and most fail. We have reached an equilibrium with rents and costs that if a restaurant actually paid a living wage to the waiters, it would be impossible to stay in business.

You can complain all you want about the stupidity of the tipping system, but that is what we have here. The wait staff relies on tips in this country, so not tipping is a piece of shit move. It's kind of in the social contract we all live by in the country - tip your waiters. If you can't afford that, don't eat out.

Saying all that, the restaurant guy has moronic street smarts. That guy with the skateboard could have easily smashed him.

Should people tip if they receive subpar service?

 

[Blayt7hh]

Tipping culture needs to die. It’s a way to offload costs onto more generous customers

 

[TriangleMonkey]

Much restraint with the young group

My friends and I when young woulda put those skateboard trucks to good use, especially by the alley-way

 

[GrantB13]

Tipping makes everything worse for everyone.

 

[Stoic1]

Tipping makes everything worse for everyone.

Ehhhhhh.

I dunno. I'm torn.

Go to Europe and watch the customer service. Beg for drinks. Beg for your check. Servers literally give no fucks.

At least here the server tries to earn the tip by providing excellent service.

I guess you may be right though. I've seen service going to COMPLETE SHIT over the last 5 years and the servers feel entitled to 20% regardless of their effort.

Hmmm.

 

[Misfit23]

Tipping has bugged me enough where I rarely eat out anymore.

 

[nonoob]

Should people tip if they receive subpar service?

Not a good amount. Tip should reflect server attitude / service recieved. Any special requests, extra trips, made your enjoy the meal more ? Hook 'em up.

Tipping culture needs to die. It’s a way to offload costs onto more generous customers

Tipping is almost always optional. Eating out...removes the shopping time & expense, food prep, cooking, serving, and the cleanup from all prep, cooking, and eating.

Tipping for a mom & pop restaurant frequented? Yes, they remember that and take better care of you.

Tipping a food chain's takeout order - no.

The wait staff relies on tips in this country, so not tipping is a piece of shit move. It's kind of in the social contract we all live by in the country - tip your waiters. If you can't afford that, don't eat out.

Ding Ding Ding ! Most people don't know: Wait staff AFAIK is exempted from minimum wage.

 

[MTT]

Not a good amount. Tip should reflect server attitude / service recieved. Any special requests, extra trips, made your enjoy the meal more ? Hook 'em up.

Tipping is almost always optional. Eating out...removes the shopping time & expense, food prep, cooking, serving, and the cleanup from all prep, cooking, and eating.

Tipping for a mom & pop restaurant frequented? Yes, they remember that and take better care of you.

Tipping a food chain's takeout order - no.

Ding Ding Ding ! Most people don't know: Wait staff AFAIK is exempted from minimum wage.

Here's an example of the last time I refused to tip: it was at a nationwide buffet chain. You go to these places to load up on protein—not for the service. The servers’ only real job is to clear dishes so you can keep eating. I’m not looking for small talk or forced friendliness from a waitress.

Our server let plates pile up so badly that, as a lefty, I had almost no arm room. Despite the fact that you’re paying for unlimited refills, she didn’t top off my drink until my dining companion flagged her down. I know how to read the room and adjust expectations if things are hectic, but that wasn’t the case here.

In this situation, I’d be an absolute moron to tip. Rewarding that kind of behavior feels like a disservice to future patrons and to the waitress’s own growth.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

dude was running a clinic on how to destroy your business in 30 secs.

 

[650lb Sumo]

Tipping has bugged me enough where I rarely eat out anymore.

Cosign.

In the US and Canada however you will have to avoid a lot more places than restaurants to avoid tipstortion.

Edit:

 

[Domitian]

That job may be a server's only LEGAL way of support.

Waitering in NC, USA (years ago) had min wage at about $7 per hour. Servers, male and/or female was 2.01 per hour. Earning 10 hours on my check was $20.10 Before Taxes.

Employees that Never dealt with Any Customers earned almost 4 times what we did, legally.

I was a server for two different restaurants a decade ago and made the bare minimum legally like 2.18 an hour or so. I still averaged out about $25-30 an hour and that's with customers who didn't tip and slow days where there wasn't much business plus I'm a dude so girls naturally made even more.These servers out here have it pretty fucking made. I kind of get a laugh out of the woe is me bullshit attitude some servers have.

 

[Cajun]

The guy probably did take out too .. and they expected a tip

Come on bruh...

 

[Cajun]

Both wrong imo. But yeah, at 2.30 an hour or so wage tips are a vital part of income.

 

[nonoob]

Both wrong imo. But yeah, at 2:30 an hour or so wage tips are a vital part of income.

If you have a piss poor attitude and don't take GOOD Care of your tables, it's on you.

I kind of get a laugh out of the woe is me bullshit attitude some servers have.

Never had that whiney attitude, usually made good money and enjoyed doing it.

For consistent A-Hole non-tippers...smile, talk real nice, then "accidently" tilt your tray and spill TF outta a cold glass of sweet tea on the table and him. Apologize immensely, say you'll be right back with a towel, but only come back after you've had a good break.

IMPORTANT - Make Sure to tell your co-workers to watch the action before doing it.

 

[Cajun]

If you have a piss poor attitude and don't take GOOD Care of your tables, it's on you.

Never had that whiney attitude, usually made good money and enjoyed doing it.

For consistent A-Hole non-tippers...smile, talk real nice, then "accidently" tilt your tray and spill TF outta a cold glass of sweet tea on the table and him. Apologize immensely, say you'll be right back with a towel, but only come back after you've had a good break.

IMPORTANT - Make Sure to tell your co-workers to watch the action before doing it.

I worked at a nice restaurant so it was the managers job talk to the customer in that instance. Only had one instance where this happened to a coworker. It was years ago so don't remember the outcome. I really don't think some people understand the wage amount. Either way it sucks. Its not about a whiney attitude but some support families on that work. At the time it was my 3rd job and I lived with a roommate. Didnt have kids etc. The importance is all relative to what you have to cover. I was young and had very little burden.

I've often wondered if they pay more at Chinese buffets because lots don't tip in that instance. Also nice revenge tactic

 

[Cajun]

No

The OWNER collects the profit and sets the price. If he wants more for a product, set the price before hand. He's not an employee who doesn't control prices or wages.

It's 100% on him and I hope plenty of people in that neighborhood see the video and determine if he should stay in business or not

Come on bruh....

Everybody keeps saying "you should just pay a living wage." Thing is: in the US, the restaurant industry is super hard and most fail. We have reached an equilibrium with rents and costs that if a restaurant actually paid a living wage to the waiters, it would be impossible to stay in business.

You can complain all you want about the stupidity of the tipping system, but that is what we have here. The wait staff relies on tips in this country, so not tipping is a piece of shit move. It's kind of in the social contract we all live by in the country - tip your waiters. If you can't afford that, don't eat out.

This is correct. I have also been to restaurants when the tip is included no matter the number of people. That would catch backlash. Restaurant margins suck. Alcohol is the only area where a place can make margin if they have a license.

 

[Crazy Source]

Both wrong imo. But yeah, at 2.30 an hour or so wage tips are a vital part of income.

That's on the owner, though. I've always thought it was bullshit that these owners are counting on the customers to pay their employees. Bake that shit into the price of the food.