Another thought experiment: overcoming size discrepancy

[Rubios]

No he said 135 pound Floyd would beat Prime Anderson Silva and Sean Strickland in a boxing fight. Sean got like 7 inches on him and 60 pounds after dehydration.

Floyd is so tiny I personally would kick his ass. He only got hands. He is no Canelo. He never had power. Defensive decision machine limited to hands at 140 pound matches. Everyone in the UFC woul beat him in a open rules fight. Every single athlete.

He embarrassed Canelo... badly.
Sure, Canelo was still 23. But, on the other hand, Floyd was 37.

Yes. Every single UFC, Bellator or PFL would destroy him in a MMA fight. Obviously.
Nothing to do with this thread, though.

 

[Rubios]

Floyd is a boxing genius. But he can't overcome 8 weight categories vs mma fighters who are 7 inches taller than him.
Especially today he is 47. Let alone do something vs the grappling and kicks where it's a different sport.

That's a given but has nothing to do with the OP.

 

[Crash Lance]

No he said 135 pound Floyd would beat Prime Anderson Silva and Sean Strickland in a boxing fight. Sean got like 7 inches on him and 60 pounds after dehydration.

Floyd is so tiny I personally would kick his ass. He only got hands. He is no Canelo. He never had power. Defensive decision machine limited to hands at 140 pound matches. Everyone in the UFC woul beat him in a open rules fight. Every single athlete.

In my opinion, Floyd Mayweather Jr. (in his best condition) had extremely powerful punches. The commentators always said that Santos Saúl Álvarez Barragán felt that Floyd Mayweather Jr. had relish and mustard every time that he connected.

They said that Santos Saúl Álvarez Barragán never wanted to risk being decapitated.

I also remember that Arturo Gatti, Carlos Baldomir, Shane Mosley, Ricky Hatton, Victor Ortiz, and many other assassins felt his powerful punches.

 

[King Joffery]

135 Floyd vs 200 pound Anderson, Strickland, Vitor. Good joke.

Floyd knocked out the 500 pound Big Show, somehow I don't think he is going to have too much trouble with a scrawny 200 pound mma fighter.

 

[Chagaev]

My point is: would he be able to close the distance and get that hold against top of the elite boxing footwork and... you know, punches?

A wrestler can safely close the distance against any boxer that can't sprawl if he just puts his pride aside and dives for the ankles like Randy vs Toney or Cain vs JDS.

There's a good move to take someone down like that, applying pressure with the shoulder on the tibia, but I have no idea what is called in English.

 

[Neck&Neck]

You just have to train Height

 

[JKS]

Let's pick the best MMA fighter (current or past) of the lowest weight classes.
For me, it's Mighty Mouse.
You can pick whoever you want, even up to 145 (Aldo, Volk, BJ Penn, Topuria...). In his prime, obviously.

And think about how bigger a BOXER would need to be for a MMA fight between the two being a coin toss, or having the boxer as a heavy favorite.

Then, do the opposite with the best lightweight boxer. I'd pick prime Pretty Boy Floyd at 135 for defensive mastery but you can go with prime Pacquiao, Duran, De la Hoya or whoever you prefer. Again, in his prime.

IMO, although the boxer would be MUCH more fucked in MMA rules, he could overcome a greater size discrepancy in a boxing match.

I'd pick 135 Floyd as a slight favorite over any 185 (prime AS, Adesanya, Strickland...) in a boxing match
Only against LHWs he wouldn't stand a chance, from my view, and most probably leave the ring on a stretcher.

On the other hand, I find very difficult to imagine DJ close the void (wink, wink) to implement any of his skillsets against a 175 Bivol or Ward in the cage.

Thoughts?

I don't think these are very favorable match ups for any of the smaller guys. Although, I would giver DJ a better shot to beat Bivol in a mma fight than Floyd at 135lbs beating a prime Anderson Silva. Anderson can actually box quite well and he would be so much bigger. Bivol on the other hand can't grapple, if DJ got a hold he would submit him. Can DJ get the fight down though??

I think also there is zero chance that Floyd would TKO or KO Anderson, so he would be in there for 12 rounds. On the other hand DJ can finish Bivol if he got the fight down.

I favor Anderson to win, but Bivol vs DJ or the mma match up would be like 5050

 

[dipstickjimmy]

He's won all his fights via striking other than the DJ fight.

That doesn't mean he can't wrestle. The OP is about an MMA fighter against a Boxer. That would have to mean a "Pure" boxer, one that has never trained wrestling or other martial arts.

Chuck won most of his fights with striking but that doesn't mean he didn't know how to wrestle.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

That doesn't mean he can't wrestle. The OP is about an MMA fighter against a Boxer. That would have to mean a "Pure" boxer, one that has never trained wrestling or other martial arts.

Chuck won most of his fights with striking but that doesn't mean he didn't know how to wrestle.

And conversely Lesnar broke Herring's orbital and KOd Couture but he didn't really know striking.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

And conversely Lesnar broke Herring's orbital and KOd Couture but he didn't really know striking.

Irrelevant point. The threat of his wrestling makes his striking greater in the case against randy. Against Heath iirc he was on top and hulk smashed him. Doesn't take a master boxer to bash in the skull of a guy you are holding down like a child.

 

[Rubios]

135 Floyd vs 200 pound Anderson, Strickland, Vitor. Good joke.

Yes, i do believe prime PBF would be a *slight* favorite against any prime UFC middleweight ever.

I think you're underestimating a top of the food chain boxer's evasive footwork, defense, cardio, ability to swarm you with punches and the power (plus speed and accuracy) these punches carry.

I set the cut to negate this gap @ 205.
A LHW would murder him IMO, though.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Irrelevant point. The threat of his wrestling makes his striking greater in the case against randy. Against Heath iirc he was on top and hulk smashed him. Doesn't take a master boxer to bash in the skull of a guy you are holding down like a child.

No it's an excellent point my man, I make many of them!

 

[Rubios]

A wrestler can safely close the distance against any boxer that can't sprawl if he just puts his pride aside and dives for the ankles like Randy vs Toney or Cain vs JDS.

There's a good move to take someone down like that, applying pressure with the shoulder on the tibia, but I have no idea what is called in English.

So you're basically saying DJ (the best MMA athlete ever, in my book) could beat even a HW boxer if said boxer doesn't have any other martial art experience?

I have no reason to doubt you, I just picture DJ beating Usyk or Joshua and find it absurdly awesome.

 

[blaseblase]

That doesn't mean he can't wrestle. The OP is about an MMA fighter against a Boxer. That would have to mean a "Pure" boxer, one that has never trained wrestling or other martial arts.

Chuck won most of his fights with striking but that doesn't mean he didn't know how to wrestle.

Ok? I don't think you understood my post.

 

[DOMMA]

TS, you got a lot of time of your hands. Might be time to get a job.

 

[Eater of Souls]

In my opinion, Floyd Mayweather Jr. (in his best condition) had extremely powerful punches. The commentators always said that Santos Saúl Álvarez Barragán felt that Floyd Mayweather Jr. had relish and mustard every time that he connected.

They said that Santos Saúl Álvarez Barragán never wanted to risk being decapitated.

I also remember that Arturo Gatti, Carlos Baldomir, Shane Mosley, Ricky Hatton, Victor Ortiz, and many other assassins felt his powerful punches.

He did, however, have to hold back as his hands were seeming a bit too brittle.

 

[Mammothman]

Dana already confirmed PVZ would destroyt Floyd Mayweather on the streets

 

[PurpleStorm]

I think some people try and overcome size discrepancy by leasing a huge truck.

 

[GiganticMeat]

So you're basically saying DJ (the best MMA athlete ever, in my book) could beat even a HW boxer if said boxer doesn't have any other martial art experience?

I have no reason to doubt you, I just picture DJ beating Usyk or Joshua and find it absurdly awesome.

I mean, no? No weight cut MM, 150 pounds... Strength also plays a factor even with exceptional technique.

Basically, I think you got your conclusion backward. If MM grabbed the ankle, or even a flying submission, he would beat anyone... Unless they really could essentially shrug him off. Maybe someone WELL north of 200... With good reflexes. It doesn't take long to get some limb taken.

Basically, very explosive boxer is the only one that stands a chance. They could still get caught too if they have zero idea what they're looking at/to expect.

Your Floyd conclusion seems alright. There's just no way he would hurt Anderson, Izzy etc so maybe lower.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Ok? I don't think you understood my post.

OK so what was your point?