Elections Andrew Yang on Ben Shapiro “It’s not left or right. It’s forward.”

[surrealworlds]

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/gun-safety/

Click here and scroll down. I'm curious what you think of all of that. I don't currently own a gun so maybe I'm not the best to evaluate all of that.

Basically its a non starter for anyone that supports 2A. Its a gun registry and drastically increased requirements to purchase guns and accessories as well as a high capacity magazine ban just for added flavor. Basically everything 2A supporters have been warning everyone about short of gun confiscation.

I asked some gun owners why they would support Yang. They told me that the current administration hasn't been so great in supporting gun rights either. One said they would use their Ubi to buy a gun every month before any legislation could be enacted. Another feels it's not a real priority for Yang and doubt he will push any meaningful change to the current law.
Like I said earlier, I respect your choice. Second amendment rights are legit concerns.

Yeah, Trump hasn't been great for gun rights but they haven't been detrimental either. I do agree with yang that something like UBI is needed in the next few decades but im not giving up my rights for him.

 

[IamStryker]

Oh look you came back to only post an insult

We aren't in a discussion anymore since you ducked every point and resorted to nothing but trolling. So I am responding to you as simply a troll I don't like. I was the one willing to debate like an adult here not the other way around so don't resort to lying like you have already done at least once.

and again accuse me of doing what you did

Still no idea what you are talking about since you enjoy making accusations and not even trying to explain what you are talking about. Extremely childish tactic. I am more than willing to go back and link everything I have accused you of. Haven't bothered yet since you really haven't even directly challenged me on any of it. Just troll troll troll.

as if anyone that reads this thread that isnt already a brain dead twat wont see it.

No one has challenged me on anything I have said or anything I have accused you of doing including yourself. Try supporting your baseless accusations.

You are clearly winning people over with your ability to back Yang.

Learn to read ya lying dumb fuck. I literally just posted that I don't support Yang and from the very beginning I said I was only playing devils advocate on his points regarding UBI.

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

We aren't in a discussion anymore.

We never were. You never replied to anything I asked and only demanded I address your continual posting of the same BS.

But I do thank you for continuing yet AGAIN with this route which leads me to believe that you think anyone that will support Yang will lack reading comprehension and not read and understand what you are doing in this tread. A continued theme by Yang supporters here.

Such a shame that I have greater faith in them than you do. lol.

 

[Zazen]

It's unlikely that I would vote for Yang due to his stance on abortion by itself. His website has the below statement which I fundamentally and morally disagree with......

Whether to have a child is an immense personal decision. In my view, it is solely up to the woman what course to take. As a society, we should support mothers in ways big and small if they do decide to have children. I respect the feelings that many Americans have on this issue, and appreciate the values one brings to bear. But it should always be up to the woman what to do. I have the feeling that if men became pregnant instead of women there would be absolutely no restriction on reproductive rights.

I'm not a fan of abortion either but how much do you actually care about people after they're born? I know a ton of right-wingers and Christians who are totally against abortion but then when it comes to health care, poverty, life expectancy for the living they couldn't care less. I get that babies are cute but we should also pay attention to the needs of the already born

 

[Thurisaz]

I know a ton of right-wingers and Christians who are totally against abortion but then when it comes to health care, poverty, life expectancy for the living they couldn't care less. I get that babies are cute but we should also pay attention to the needs of the already born

That's why we advocate for them the right to have their father and their mother to take care of them. It's their job. The state's job is not to be a nanny.

That is also the reason we vehemently oppose giving any incentive to have bastards.

 

[spamking]

I know a ton of right-wingers and Christians who are totally against abortion but then when it comes to health care, poverty, life expectancy for the living they couldn't care less.

What does that mean? They don't think people should have unfettered access to healthcare on the government's (tax payers') dime? That they don't believe they need to pay for other people to receive care?

 

[Zazen]

That's why we advocate for them the right to have their father and their mother to take care of them. It's their job. The state's job is not to be a nanny.

That is also the reason we vehemently oppose giving any incentive to have bastards.

To what end? We are approaching a new age where technology will replace what humans do, a few companies that will own everything. Real life isn't a movie where someone goes from rags to riches. We're talking about a nation where the majority of people who are wealthy have inherited that money from someone else. But yeah keep telling people to pull themselves up by the bootstrap

 

[Thurisaz]

To what end?

To sustain and eventually rebuild the remnants of civilization we still have.

We are approaching a new age where technology will replace what humans do, a few companies that will own everything.

Keep telling that to yourself. You are having people shit on streets now and the next step isn't a post-scarcity society.

 

[Zazen]

To sustain and eventually rebuild the remnants of civilization we still have.

Keep telling that to yourself. You are having people shit on streets now and the next step isn't a post-scarcity society.

Oh okay, I know what you're now. No longer worth responding to.

 

[Thurisaz]

Oh okay, I know what you're now.

I am what you could call a reality check. The US cannot even sustain what it has; what makes you think it has any ability to move forward? The median IQ has dropped by more than a standard deviation in only three generations and is incentivized further by dysgenic female education that makes smart women barren and third world mass immigration that maximizes the amount of low IQ people your society can possibly have.

Your dreams of Star Trek utopias are nothing but a pipe dream. I'm astonished if you still have working indoor plumbing in 20 years.

 

[Lawless People]

Two people talking about the challenges that The United States faces...And, offering solutions.

If Andrew wins, he will be called the podcast president. Joe Rogan, The Breakfast Club, Sam Harris, and now Ben Shapiro. I think the sit down discussion (podcasts) should take a more prominent role in elections. I don’t see Yang getting his message out so boldly in his 30 thirty seconds of airtime in the upcoming debates.

Yes, I am a volunteer for the Yang campaign.

People from wide ranging political perspectives are listening to Yang. Why?

“It’s not right or left. It’s forward.” - Andrew Yang

I think it’s a pretty catchy campaign slogan.

Video...


https://www.yang2020.com/policies/

Except that it is utterly stupid. It is either left or right. It is either more government and government control or less. His shit is more government control. It is leftist.

 

[Cash Bill 52]

Except that it is utterly stupid. It is either left or right. It is either more government and government control or less. His shit is more government control. It is leftist.

You do realize that Yang wants to replace the current welfare system, right? He doesn't want to increase the minimum wage. He doesn't want free college for all. He doesn't want to break up the big banks or corporations. I agree that his plan is not complete libertarian.
The left - right / socialism - capitalism spectrum arguments are outdated. Technology will cause us to rethink the roll of government. That's his "forward" argument.
One more thing... This is the Democratic primary. I believe he must make an argument that his policies will satisfy the left in the party. I can see how anybody outside the party will declare Yang as part of the left.

 

[IamStryker]

We never were. You never replied to anything I asked

This is a retarded lie. Just try to back up your baseless accusations. Would love to see it but you won't because you probably already know it's not true. Troll troll troll.

and only demanded I address your continual posting of the same BS.

I asked in a polite discussion for sources to your claims. God forbid you back anything up. Don't pretend I only posted the same thing over and over. I repeated maybe a few times to something you ignored. Such as when I gave clear examples of how 1k a month would be very helpful to anybody.

But I do thank you for continuing yet AGAIN with this route which leads me to believe that you think anyone that will support Yang will lack reading comprehension and not read and understand what you are doing in this tread. A continued theme by Yang supporters here.

Yawn. Accusation with nothing to back it up. Learn to read ya lying dumbass. I am not a Yang supporter.

Such a shame that I have greater faith in them than you do. lol.

What a surprise. In my last post I said I was willing to go back and prove all of my claims about you and you ignored that challenge. Not to mention you still don't even respond to all of my posts. You know you're a shit troll.

 

[IamStryker]

I'm not a fan of abortion either but how much do you actually care about people after they're born? I know a ton of right-wingers and Christians who are totally against abortion but then when it comes to health care, poverty, life expectancy for the living they couldn't care less. I get that babies are cute but we should also pay attention to the needs of the already born

In my experience those are baseless accusations from those on the Left. Every single conservative I know cares about all of those things. It's not a good point regardless though. Somehow it's moral to kill unborn children because you think those who you oppose politically don't support some issues the way you want?

I don't think you should kill ugly babies either....

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

This is a retarded lie. Just try to back up your baseless accusations. Would love to see it but you won't because you probably already know it's not true. Troll troll troll.

I asked in a polite discussion for sources to your claims. God forbid you back anything up. Don't pretend I only posted the same thing over and over. I repeated maybe a few times to something you ignored. Such as when I gave clear examples of how 1k a month would be very helpful to anybody.

Yawn. Accusation with nothing to back it up. Learn to read ya lying dumbass. I am not a Yang supporter.

What a surprise. In my last post I said I was willing to go back and prove all of my claims about you and you ignored that challenge. Not to mention you still don't even respond to all of my posts. You know you're a shit troll.

I suggest you make your posts longer. The more you insult the reading abilities of everyone else that have and will come into this thread the more you show how Yang backers have zero respect for anyone else.

No matter how much you dodge, deflect and reject reality...its still here, in this thread for everyone to see.

 

[IamStryker]

I suggest you make your posts longer. The more you insult the reading abilities of everyone else that have and will come into this thread the more you show how Yang backers have zero respect for anyone else.

Such a retarded troll you don't even attempt to respond to anything I say. I suggest you delete your shit account.

No matter how much you dodge,

You literally just didn't respond to anything I said dumbass yet I'm the one dodging?

deflect and reject reality...its still here, in this thread for everyone to see.

Yeah everyone can see you ignore everything I say.

 

[kenetics]

No thanks. Catchy slogans is all this guy has.

Trump won with them lol.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Automation isn't political, presidential candidates and policy proposals are. He's not proposing automation, he's proposing monetary compensation for lost jobs when unemployment is at its lowest. He'd be better off running after automation has already taken jobs, but right now illegal immigration is taking a lot more low skilled jobs than automation.

I'd have to listen to more from the guy, but it seems like all of these demands for paying cashiers 35k/year and not enforcing immigration laws are basically forcing automation or at the very least speeding up the need or desire for it.

He seems pretty naive with this notion that people would all be writing poetry and frolicking in fields if they got paid to not work. We have people on welfare and disability and there's not a lot of art and poetry/passion projects coming from those groups. Idle hands are the devil's playground, so I'd prefer fighting automation for as long as possible to leaving people with no sense of purpose and a culture of government dependence.

Just a couple things to help inform you of what his universal basic income actually entails. Each American adult would get $1k/month. For a married couple, that would add up to $24k/year. Most of the people benefiting would be working. For those who are already on government assistance, it would be an either/or thing, not added to the assistance they're already receiving. It's intended primarily to aid the working poor and people whose jobs are at risk of automation now or in the near future rather than intended to create a welfare state.

 

[jeffbeesdat]

Two people talking about the challenges that The United States faces...And, offering solutions.

If Andrew wins, he will be called the podcast president. Joe Rogan, The Breakfast Club, Sam Harris, and now Ben Shapiro. I think the sit down discussion (podcasts) should take a more prominent role in elections. I don’t see Yang getting his message out so boldly in his 30 thirty seconds of airtime in the upcoming debates.

Yes, I am a volunteer for the Yang campaign.

People from wide ranging political perspectives are listening to Yang. Why?

“It’s not right or left. It’s forward.” - Andrew Yang

I think it’s a pretty catchy campaign slogan.

Video...


https://www.yang2020.com/policies/

While I lean right, I respect the fact that he was willing to go on Shapiro’s show... It’s such a welcome change from someone like AOC who was so fearful of debating Shapiro that she accused him of catcalling when he challenged her.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

No thanks. Catchy slogans is all this guy has.

To be fair, he doesn't have too many catchy slogans coming from his campaign. He has specific policies which he prefers to discuss in length in long-form interviews on podcasts and related new media formats as opposed to soundbite-talking heads appearances on mainstream media news shows. Now there are fans of his/trolls/whatever they are that are memeing hard and all that, but one shouldn't confuse that with his actual campaign.