Elections Andrew Yang on Ben Shapiro “It’s not left or right. It’s forward.”

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  1. Cash Bill 52

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    Two people talking about the challenges that The United States faces...And, offering solutions.

    If Andrew wins, he will be called the podcast president. Joe Rogan, The Breakfast Club, Sam Harris, and now Ben Shapiro. I think the sit down discussion (podcasts) should take a more prominent role in elections. I don’t see Yang getting his message out so boldly in his 30 thirty seconds of airtime in the upcoming debates.

    Yes, I am a volunteer for the Yang campaign.

    People from wide ranging political perspectives are listening to Yang. Why?

    “It’s not right or left. It’s forward.” - Andrew Yang

    I think it’s a pretty catchy campaign slogan. :)

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    https://www.yang2020.com/policies/
     
  2. EradiatedHaggis

    EradiatedHaggis Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    No thanks. Catchy slogans is all this guy has.
     
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    I heard he wants to ban ar15s
     
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  5. Cash Bill 52

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    Catchy slogans are not enough content for multiple podcasts.

    Source?

    Is automation left or right?
     
  6. Cash Bill 52

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    Even if you believe Yang is a commie leftist or an alt right sympathizer, being able to have a discussion is important.
    Is anybody else talking about the effect automation will have on the economy? Maybe Buttiegeg a little...
     
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    Automation isn't political, presidential candidates and policy proposals are. He's not proposing automation, he's proposing monetary compensation for lost jobs when unemployment is at its lowest. He'd be better off running after automation has already taken jobs, but right now illegal immigration is taking a lot more low skilled jobs than automation.

    I'd have to listen to more from the guy, but it seems like all of these demands for paying cashiers 35k/year and not enforcing immigration laws are basically forcing automation or at the very least speeding up the need or desire for it.

    He seems pretty naive with this notion that people would all be writing poetry and frolicking in fields if they got paid to not work. We have people on welfare and disability and there's not a lot of art and poetry/passion projects coming from those groups. Idle hands are the devil's playground, so I'd prefer fighting automation for as long as possible to leaving people with no sense of purpose and a culture of government dependence.
     
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    he's from Synecdoche, New York, right?
     
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    The workforce participation rate is around 64%. Many jobs these days are temp, gig, and independent contractor type jobs. Jobs with benefits and pensions are harder to come by.
    Automation is coming. Yang says that automation has a greater effect on job loss than illegal immigration does.
    Yang is not demanding cashiers get any specific salary. He did say "if cashier was a video game, it would be the worst ever."
     
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    This is why he isnt liked, because of what he is proposing, and how he is doing it.

    A person invoking the name of Friedman to add credit to what he is saying about a UBI and all while proposing it in a way that Friedman would have been against makes everyone that even knows who Friedman is (to give him credibility) then in turn look at him as the joke he is.

    He is basically saying "I have a plan for freedom like Thomas Jefferson had, and I am going to do it by taking your freedoms away"...because Freidman's UBI would have cost the people nothing via a negative tax. Yang wants to do it via a tax on businesses which ALWAYS gets passed down to consumers and thus the people.

    Fuck Yang, he is no better than anyone else on the Democratic ticket right now. All liars that are going to implement something that actually does far more harm than good to those they claim to be wanting to help.
     
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    Your last paragraph...
    The problem with current welfare programs is the work disincentive. $1,000 per month won't be enough to live beyond subsistence most places. You get the freedom dividend or your welfare benefits. Get a job and your Ubi is not affected.
     
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    Workforce participation has averaged less than it is now since 1950.

    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/labor-force-participation-rate

    He can claim that all he wants, but it isn't true. Automation has displaced a decent number of jobs but made different jobs in their place, whereas illegal immigration has filled a higher number of existing jobs for lower pay. Of he's telling you what he wants you to believe because he's selling something. Is he going to cap the number of kids people can have or is it just going to be 12k/year plus benefits for unlimited people?
     
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    Thanks for the reply.
    1. People are starting to like him. He has a lot of ideas that are finally hitting the mainstream.
    2. The freedom dividend is different from the negative income tax, I agree. Friedman gave up on the idea because he felt Congress would never get rid of current welfare spending. Is this correct? Yang is not a Friedman purist. He also invokes the names of Martin Luther King and Thomas Paine. Getting a universal income enacted needs to start somewhere.
    3. Vat - consumption tax - Any industry that relies heavily on automation with diminishing labor needs will be affected. Yes, eventually the consumer pays. All companies will have to compete for the increased buying power of the population. I have heard the proposal of a land value tax. (Not yang) the tax structure will need to change as the need for labor disappears.
    4. I get it. You are not a Yang fan. You are not a fan of any Democratic nominee.

    Even though I disagree with you, I Appreciate your spirited argument.
     
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    1. "people" like everyone. lots of "People" do not...and the polls show it.
    2. Friedman never "gave up" on the idea. He was not a politician and thus had nothing to give up. He always brought up his idea whenever a UBI was brought up in the public spotlight.
    3. I am glad you are admitting that Yang is proposing to tax the people to give money to the people since taxing businesses is just taxing the people.
    4. And this is why...I do not wish to be taxed more to get someone into office because they are promising other people "free" shit because they have no real ideas and just want power.
     
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    Out of curiosity, are there any Democrat candidates you like or would support?
     
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    Right now? Nope. Not one person running has come out OPENLY against identity politics, Social media being a posion, call out culture, actually stating that #Metoo is a weapon, that a red hat with MAGA on it is not racism and that people need to calm down, that big business is not the enemy of the people, that socialism is dangerous, that free speech MUST be protected, that people that disagree with you is not racism/sexism or make them a Nazi.

    In other words, no one has openly attacked the growing leftism in the Democratic party and that it needs to be purged.

    Until then, I will never support a person running in that party...the same reason why I will never vote for Republican unless they openly speak out against the parties religious morals push which is just the right sides identity politics.
     
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    Not a surprise here.

    This is a surprise. Not sure I believe it - it's too much of a forum-politically convenient talking point to make a poster who is as objective as my grandma eating at a sushi restaurant seem like they're holding uniform standards across party lines for me to trust it outright. If it's true, good on you though.
     
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    'grab'em by the pussy' was the best one
     
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    I dont expect a party whore to not being able to wrap their head around the idea of someone else not being one also. Limited minds cannot understand things that exist outside their bubble.

    My early posts on this site is of defending Obama from baseless attacks from right wing whores...now I am doing the same for Trump from deranged leftists.

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