Anderson Silva fighting stance...

[Gavster]

I'm curious of that too Frode.
Anderson has focused more on singular precision shots rather than the combination offence he used against Chris Leben and Rich Franklin. My theory on why is that as some fighters get older, they focus on technique as speed and strength become harder to recover after bursts.

He seems less busy, this could be because he's found so much success with counterfighting and baiting but I do see him being slower and from the two recent video performances on pads or teaching - a more soft martial art focus. Maybe it was Seagals input that he was wasting energy.

 

[Frode Falch]

I kinda agree. Guess I come from the UFC forum too.

When was the last time i made excuses about any of my fav fighter that lost? be it anderson, liddell, alves, spong or who ever?

 

[Gavster]

I'm not a fan of Chris Weidman yet. But he played the countergame with Anderson while standing, he maintained distance and when Anderson punched, he was moving away from the power and at the end of the punch. He didn't play into Anderson's baiting or be distracted by his 'monkey climbing the rope'.

 

[Frode Falch]

I'm curious of that too Frode.
Anderson has focused more on singular precision shots rather than the combination offence he used against Chris Leben and Rich Franklin. My theory on why is that as some fighters get older, they focus on technique as speed and strength become harder to recover after bursts.

He seems less busy, this could be because he's found so much success with counterfighting and baiting but I do see him being slower and from the two recent video performances on pads or teaching - a more soft martial art focus. Maybe it was Seagals input that he was wasting energy.

Yeah i guess it could be that. but i dont know. i think he way have changed his style over time. His fight against Okami was masterful.. but i still like his older style better.

back then he was like a 185 lbs version of Jose Aldo

 

[Jukai]

When was the last time i made excuses about any of my fav fighter that lost? be it anderson, liddell, alves, spong or who ever?

In this very thread. You said he wasn't taking the fight seriously. That is an excuse.

 

[Frode Falch]

yeah whatever man.

back to topic.

 

[SuttenMac]

One important factor of Anderson's game that has been mentioned somewhat, is his accuracy and precision. Anderson is very good at landing anything--the counter jab to Griffin, the reverse elbow on Fryklund, the front snap kick (not a push kick) on Belfort--with fight-ending power. That's a trait that can't really be taught. It's an intangible that many great fighters have. Sugar Ray Robinson's perfect left hook of Gene Fullmer (in their second fight, I believe) comes to mind.

 

[Castro Alves]

Don't you just love "old school Anderson" and his invincible Lumpinee clinch-work?

 

[TheStrikingGuy]

Dude has definitely gone through phases. If you watch his fights with Takase, Kato and even Newton he has his hands up by his chin and is in this wide, squatting stance. Then he comes forward, looks to throw strikes, and has real trouble when the opponent shoots underneath.

I think obviously his wrestling improved enormously, but it's pretty clear in more recent fights when his hands have been low they have aided his TDD enormously. Chael basically shot straight unto Silva's underhooks in their second fight. The underhooks are just already there when he needs them.

 

[Frode Falch]

Yeah i agree. His wrestling and overall takedown defense as improved alot by the years he has spend in the UFC.

 

[a guy]

And clearly, Anderson wasn't trying in his last fight. He didn't take that seriously at all. I give Chris no props for that KO.

So what's the excuse this time?

 

[SummerStriker]

Silva 's stance was front foot heavy with too much external rotation. His weight shifting to his rear leg delayed the kick giving Weidman enough time to check. Had Silva displayed better ring presence and timing, he would have been able to utilized well established PROPER technique.

 

[Azam]

Silva 's stance was front foot heavy with too much external rotation. His weight shifting to his rear leg delayed the kick giving Weidman enough time to check. Had Silva displayed better ring presence and timing, he would have been able to utilized well established PROPER technique.

I don't think his technique is at fault even though it was sloppy - that inside low kick break was something you see mainly when guys don't give their shins adequate time to recover in training - all the shin breaks I can recall - most guys admitted to slight injuries in training & not allowing recovery time - I wonder if Anderson Silva when he's fit might shed light on the issue because I suspect it was done during training camp but it's rare to see from someone with his experience (15 years +).

People will start hyping checking from now - in fact it will become the new technique to use in the octagon lol.

 

[a guy]

I don't think his technique is at fault even though it was sloppy - that inside low kick break was something you see mainly when guys don't give their shins adequate time to recover in training - all the shin breaks I can recall - most guys admitted to slight injuries in training & not allowing recovery time - I wonder if Anderson Silva when he's fit might shed light on the issue because I suspect it was done during training camp but it's rare to see from someone with his experience (15 years +).

People will start hyping checking from now - in fact it will become the new technique to use in the octagon lol.

Hahaha, spot on.

 

[flanellograf]

I never bought the whole "hands down is his takedown defense" thing..

Yeah, you really have to have terrible reflexes for that to matter much. Perhaps if you keep your elbows at eye level, there would be a difference. But then it would be a difference if you keep your hands in a "normal" position as well.
People tend to get taken down because they have bad tdd, and/or when they (over)commit to punches.

 

[flanellograf]

So what's the excuse this time?

You really don't seem to be objective in the matter with comments like these.
Why does there have to be an excuse? Chris did a good job, and non-set up leg kicks get punished with checks far too rarely in mma, but it was still a freak occurrence and not really an entirely satisfying outcome. I would have like to have seen more of the fight.

 

[a guy]

Yeah, you really have to have terrible reflexes for that to matter much. Perhaps if you keep your elbows at eye level, there would be a difference. But then it would be a difference if you keep your hands in a "normal" position as well.
People tend to get taken down because they have bad tdd, and/or when they (over)commit to punches.

What you need to understand is keeping the hands low is as much of a mental deterrent as anything. And I don't just mean that it baits guys to keep striking because they have an easy target, event though that's true. It makes them hesitant to shoot because they know the arms are in the way. If you wrestle, something you look for is to get separation between your opponent's elbows and their ribs. You wouldn't really shoot freely on someone whose arms were in the way like that without getting some grips that allow you to get past their first layer of defense (which funny enough is the opposite of what it is in striking). But there are ways around that, and the other thing to remember is that the people who keep their hands low tend to not rely on their hands for striking defense, which means they are more likely to remain well positioned to grapple when being attacked. My favorite example of this is Ali Bagautinov.

 

[a guy]

You really don't seem to be objective in the matter with comments like these.
Why does there have to be an excuse? Chris did a good job, and non-set up leg kicks get punished with checks far too rarely in mma, but it was still a freak occurrence and not really an entirely satisfying outcome. I would have like to have seen more of the fight.

I agree, but I'm wondering what people will have to say about how Silva was able to do nothing to Weidman in the standup or on the ground. He landed some knees in the clinch, before getting dropped, and some pretty hard shots from the bottom in exchange for Weidmans elbows and punches. I just want people to give Weidman some credit and recognize the unique things he presented to Silva. It's a shame that the fight ended how it did, but I believe there was enough action for Weidman to prove he can beat Silva soundly clowning or not.

 

[PivotPunch]

Yeah, you really have to have terrible reflexes for that to matter much. Perhaps if you keep your elbows at eye level, there would be a difference. But then it would be a difference if you keep your hands in a "normal" position as well.
People tend to get taken down because they have bad tdd, and/or when they (over)commit to punches.

No I don't think you need to have terrible reflexes for it to matter. It's about the striking when you strike and put your hands up like you actually should in striking the other guy can start exchanging punches and use them to set up a TD even if you have good reflexes it's very likely that they aren't good enough and/or that you can't get your arms fast enough down to get underhooks. It makes a difference. Robert Whitaker fought his last fights with his hands completely down not even chest level but hanging down and defending punches only with headmovement and his shoulder and he showed very good TDD and he said he does it for TDD.
If you have your hands down you have it much easier to throw punches and commit to them without getting taken down you don't even need to overcommit in a pure striking sense but even if you punches textbook-ish you open yourself up to TDs

 

[flanellograf]

What you need to understand is keeping the hands low is as much of a mental deterrent as anything. And I don't just mean that it baits guys to keep striking because they have an easy target, event though that's true. It makes them hesitant to shoot because they know the arms are in the way. If you wrestle, something you look for is to get separation between your opponent's elbows and their ribs. You wouldn't really shoot freely on someone whose arms were in the way like that without getting some grips that allow you to get past their first layer of defense (which funny enough is the opposite of what it is in striking). But there are ways around that, and the other thing to remember is that the people who keep their hands low tend to not rely on their hands for striking defense, which means they are more likely to remain well positioned to grapple when being attacked. My favorite example of this is Ali Bagautinov.

Sure, but generally people don't shoot anymore without setting it up or without timing it. Most fighters keep their hands pretty low in mma anyway, so I doubt it makes much of a difference, and it sure didn't stop Chris from trying takedowns in the first fight.