An idea to help solve fighter pay issues

[welcometohavoc]

What do the losers get paid for each round?

Same thing they get paid now

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Not really, if they could they would have a bunch of logos on their shorts and banners like they did before the Reebok deal.

When fighters were able to pick their own sponsors and advertise for them during televised events something like 40-60% of their total earnings generally was from sponsors. Ever since the Reebok deal the amount fighters get from sponsors plummeted.

Fighters already have their own sponsors. But almost all are in direct competition/conflict with sponsors that sign (and party extra) for EXCLUSIVE sponsorship deals. Which is why the only time the ufc doesn't allow fighters to promote their own individual sponsors is at UFC events. The other 98.5% of the time they can wear and promote their own sponsors.

 

[avenue94]

i wasn’t talking about “the market.” i was talking about fighter’s value to the ufc, under their business model. a fighter might be able to command more or less on “the market,” but what the ufc is willing to pay is up to them. as it so happens, ufc usually pays the most for top talent. the impediment to testing the market is usually a contract (read it, don’t sign it if you don’t agree) not some inherent unfairness in the ufc's business model. if the fighter’s contract is up, and they think they’re worth more, of course test free agency. but the ufc is allowed to determine its profitability margins, it’s allowed to determine what it can afford.

I agree that currently, the UFC doesn't' need any singular fighter. It hasn't always be that way, and it may someday change, but it is what it is for now.

“regulatory guardrails” are a joke, just like commissions. they’re all bought off, and they’re just a way to ensure larger companies have less competition. that’s reality.

Yes, which is why the biggest opponent to the Ali Act is.... *checks notes*... the biggest company around, the UFC lol

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Fighters already have their own sponsors. But almost all are in direct competition/conflict with sponsors that sign (and party extra) for EXCLUSIVE sponsorship deals. Which is why the only time the ufc doesn't allow fighters to promote their own individual sponsors is at UFC events. The other 98.5% of the time they can wear and promote their own sponsors.

The whole sponsorship model in MMA was built around advertising during UFC events, your argument is totally disingenuous. Before the Reebok era most guys were getting almost all of ther sponsorship money from advertising their sponsors during UFC events.

 

[TIMELESS TRUTH]

The whole sponsorship model in MMA was built around advertising during UFC events, your argument is totally disingenuous. Before the Reebok era most guys were getting almost all of ther sponsorship money from advertising their sponsors during UFC events.

All I really remember is "Fastened Condoms"

 

[nostradumbass]

My solution to fighter pay issues is not caring. It's not my money, they have agents/managers to negotiate for them and it's not my business nor is it my problem if someone's agent sucks.

 

[DoctorWashington]

Hey worry about teachers. These dorks shouldnt all make 100k a year. Half the roster gases in the third round. They get paid to workout and entertain fat kids between video game marathons.

Lets be realisitic.

 

[TIMELESS TRUTH]

My solution to fighter pay issues is not caring. It's not my money, they have agents/managers to negotiate for them and it's not my business nor is it my problem if someone's agent sucks.

Certainly, but also I want to see some interesting matches again.

 

[Barksnight]

Hold some single night elimination style tournaments, where everyone earns the same damn thing but profits increase throughout the subsequent rounds.
Examples!
Round one is $50,000 to the winners.
Round two is $100,000 to the winners.
Round three finals is $250,000 to the champ.
We would have a different perspective on those champs even if they lost in their divisions. We used to rank MMA fighters in their respective divisions taking these situations into account. Fight brackets could be determined at the weigh ins, that way nobody gets to plan ahead and everyone is on the same playing field.

MMA was EXTREMELY interesting when we used to do things similar to this...

LoL mma simps.

Maybe just maybe grown ass man can take resposability for the contracts they accept and sign. Duhh.

 

[TIMELESS TRUTH]

LoL mma simps.

Maybe just maybe grown ass man can take resposability for the contracts they accept and sign. Duhh.

Do you wanna be a fuckin fighter??

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

if you cared so damn much, you'd pressure UFC to let the fighters have sponsors again. so fucking stupid. otherwise the only other thing you can do as a "fan" is pay the PPV price, and directly venmo fighters. thats it. and pressure ariel to pay for interviews since he makes $$$$ off of views. Just like paddy was calling out. but yall are a bunch of hypocrites. personally, i do not care. the smart fighters work many angles and leverage pay. the dumb ones complain about why they dont get title shots or more money. its entertainment.

 

[avenue94]

There are kids on Navy ships right now, staying up all night, eating shit, for years making peanuts, with families below the poverty line, drinking poison water on a military base, for instance, and you're worried that some dorks who wont even workout enough to make it to the third round without gassing arent making 150k a year. A lot of these guys dont even train. You fatties are impressed by fighters who can go for 15 or 25 minutes and its their only job. A little perspective is needed.

What are you smoking lol they are all basically overpaid.

Your average enlisted is going to outearn a significant chunk, if not the majority of the roster in total compensation lol. Not a great example.

 

[corrupted]

Individual sponsorship would go a long way towards it.

 

[JarlSkuld]

Create rival organizations to the UFC that pay fighters a larger percentage of the profits. Then leech fighters away from the UFC. Dana is a greedy bastard, but he isn't stupid. When he sees that the UFC is suffering as a result of underpaying his fighters, he will suddenly "realize the benefits" of paying his fighters more.

Jarl

 

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The whole sponsorship model in MMA was built around advertising during UFC events, your argument is totally disingenuous. Before the Reebok era most guys were getting almost all of ther sponsorship money from advertising their sponsors during UFC events.

I not disagreeing with you. You're 100% right. But it's disingenuous to say ufc fighters aren't allowed to have individual sponsors. They can 100% have individual sponsors but, they can't wear or promote their individual sponsors, they have to wear and promote the sponsors that have SIGNED EXCLUSIVE SPONSORSHIP DEALS WITH THE UFC DURING UFC EVENTS.

The exclusive deal has to mean something. And while the compensation isn't the best for some of the lower level fighters that can't attract their own sponsors it's literally a lifesaver getting an extra 2 or 5K while on a 12/12 contract.

Also during the pre Reebok days there was a lot less fighters on the UFC's roster meaning every fighter got more time to shine and name recognition than compared to today's UFC where the roster has at least tripled in size and a lot of personal sure interchangeable slot fillers.

But back to my main point look at these fighter social media pages. A lot of these guys are getting paid to promote something when it's not ufc related.

And if a sponsor refuses to sponsor you unless you can promote for them at UFC events then how marketable are you really? Sounds like they are trying to backdoor their way to promote through the ufc without dealing directly with the ufc.

 

[Domitian]

You can always give money to fighters you like directly.

 

[markys00]

Incoming UFC shills telling you you’re stupid for suggesting almighty UFC do anything different.

Can you name an mma promotion that does it better?

The only really bad thing if. Did was get rid of sponsors. Really shitty imo. I get it to a certain degree, but still shitty.

 

[markys00]

Or just have a 50k per fight minimum + health insurance, and allow for more private endorsements.

A profit sharing program for all fighters would be a great step forward as well.

They get insurance, no? This was done YEARS ago

 

[markys00]

Just allow fighters to have their own sponsors again, that would about double everyone's pay.

Except the bottom tier guys (apparently). A bit of a socialistic approach from the UFC, but sherdoggers are never happy until the UFC goes bankrupt

 

[cmw43]

Hold some single night elimination style tournaments, where everyone earns the same damn thing but profits increase throughout the subsequent rounds.
Examples!
Round one is $50,000 to the winners.
Round two is $100,000 to the winners.
Round three finals is $250,000 to the champ.
We would have a different perspective on those champs even if they lost in their divisions. We used to rank MMA fighters in their respective divisions taking these situations into account. Fight brackets could be determined at the weigh ins, that way nobody gets to plan ahead and everyone is on the same playing field.

MMA was EXTREMELY interesting when we used to do things similar to this...

That's pretty much what PFL does except it's not a single night.