Opinion Americans Not Loyal to America

[ChosenOne]

A while back, I was seeing this woman who migrated from Peru to the US when she was in her early teens, became naturalized, went to college in the States, worked abroad as an English teacher (thanks to her US passport), and was preparing to apply for some job working for the US state department. To me, her story sounded like a success story of a poor immigrant who was able to make it in America. But she was a woke social justice warrior who complained about how America is racist and sexist, which sounds like every other American woman. When talking about "her country," she talks about Peru, despite now speaking English better than Spanish. Despite her having American citizenship, having had opportunities thanks to America, and was looking to work in the US Government, she still said she is loyal to "her country" of Peru. This seems like a contradiction in values to me.

Now I have no personal dog in this fight, but I find it funny that immigrants who willingly move to another country and become naturalized to reap the benefits are still patriotic to their "home country" instead of being grateful for the new opportunities. This cognitive dissonance must create some sort of unhappiness on a personal level for these individuals. I also think the US government should do a better job of vetting people and seeing where their loyalties lie.

I don't mean to rag on immigrants only. I met people like who were born in the US as well. I once knew a guy of Irish ancestry who hated American and always talked about how he's Irish and was going to move to Ireland even though he's never been there before.

I am going to watch you TS and wait until you hear what Trump and the magats have to say about America.

They truly hate it and think it a complete shit hole and are proud to say it.

 

[Fluffernutter]

As long as they are legal, they can pick whatever favorite they want.

The pull for home is always strong

I agree with your sentiment. But, if the subject of the OP is someone that wants to represent America abroad in an official diplomatic capacity, I would hope they are more loyal to the US than another country.

 

[Fluffernutter]

Its easy to counter that by saying then why are you here if your country is awesome

Russians especially dig to do this "my country is great" stuff in my experience

I work with a dual citizen US/Russia.

He never says Russia is great. If fact, quite the opposite. He loves the US.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

A while back, I was seeing this woman who migrated from Peru to the US when she was in her early teens, became naturalized, went to college in the States, worked abroad as an English teacher (thanks to her US passport), and was preparing to apply for some job working for the US state department. To me, her story sounded like a success story of a poor immigrant who was able to make it in America. But she was a woke social justice warrior who complained about how America is racist and sexist, which sounds like every other American woman. When talking about "her country," she talks about Peru, despite now speaking English better than Spanish. Despite her having American citizenship, having had opportunities thanks to America, and was looking to work in the US Government, she still said she is loyal to "her country" of Peru. This seems like a contradiction in values to me.

Now I have no personal dog in this fight, but I find it funny that immigrants who willingly move to another country and become naturalized to reap the benefits are still patriotic to their "home country" instead of being grateful for the new opportunities. This cognitive dissonance must create some sort of unhappiness on a personal level for these individuals. I also think the US government should do a better job of vetting people and seeing where their loyalties lie.

I don't mean to rag on immigrants only. I met people like who were born in the US as well. I once knew a guy of Irish ancestry who hated American and always talked about how he's Irish and was going to move to Ireland even though he's never been there before.

Lol at all this concern over "loyalty." Unless your country is being occupied by another, loyalty doesn't matter.

Here's how you show loyalty: pay taxes, don't commit crimes. Who gives a shit what people consider "their country" or who they root for in the Olympics and World Cup.

No surprise that this is a major concern for right wingers, though. They're an extremely emotional group so stupid symbolic shit like this is of utmost importance to them.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

If I move somewhere and live there until I die, I'm still a Native born American and am allowed to still love America.

Dont like it? Kiss my American @ss.

Now if that made you all tingly, the same applies for anyone who moves here from anywhere else. No one owes you Nationalist purity.

/thread.

Tremendous post. And you should be allowed to criticize wherever you moved to as well.

But conservatives love them some authoritarianism. State worship is big with these guys. No one criticize the motherland! Stalin, Mussolini, Franco are looking up and nodding in approval.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

My family and I integrated when we moved from Slovakia to Canada, and then a second time when we moved to the USA. I don't see why others can't or refuse to.

 

[Fury]

I work with a dual citizen US/Russia.

He never says Russia is great. If fact, quite the opposite. He loves the US.

I've never heard a legal Russian immigrant say Russia was great. There's some culture shock for sure but never that it was better there.

 

[Islam Imamate]

My family and I integrated when we moved from Slovakia to Canada, and then a second time when we moved to the USA. I don't see why others can't or refuse to.

Why so you mean by integrate here?

 

[Cole train]

I've never heard a legal Russian immigrant say Russia was great. There's some culture shock for sure but never that it was better there.

I work with a dual citizen US/Russia.

He never says Russia is great. If fact, quite the opposite. He loves the US.

Iv heard plenty, actually a lot

Grew up 1 hour from russian border lol and most of social circle is russian speakers

Buut everyones experience is different

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

My family and I integrated when we moved from Slovakia to Canada, and then a second time when we moved to the USA. I don't see why others can't or refuse to.

Why so you mean by integrate here?

Adopt the culture, contribute to the prevailing society. Which is kind of funny because my parents picked Cleveland, OH due to its large Eastern Europe population, but I didn't see it that way.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Adopt the culture,

Adopt what culture? What does that mean in practice? Are Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans refusing to adopt American culture or is their culture contributing to it?

contribute to the prevailing society.

Most immigrants do though don't they?

Which is kind of funny because my parents picked Cleveland, OH due to its large Eastern Europe population, but I didn't see it that way.

In other words, your parents valued their culture and made it a point to move somewhere in the US that would make the cultural transition easier. Nothing wrong with that imo.