Opinion Americans Not Loyal to America

[ChosenOne]

A while back, I was seeing this woman who migrated from Peru to the US when she was in her early teens, became naturalized, went to college in the States, worked abroad as an English teacher (thanks to her US passport), and was preparing to apply for some job working for the US state department. To me, her story sounded like a success story of a poor immigrant who was able to make it in America. But she was a woke social justice warrior who complained about how America is racist and sexist, which sounds like every other American woman. When talking about "her country," she talks about Peru, despite now speaking English better than Spanish. Despite her having American citizenship, having had opportunities thanks to America, and was looking to work in the US Government, she still said she is loyal to "her country" of Peru. This seems like a contradiction in values to me.

Now I have no personal dog in this fight, but I find it funny that immigrants who willingly move to another country and become naturalized to reap the benefits are still patriotic to their "home country" instead of being grateful for the new opportunities. This cognitive dissonance must create some sort of unhappiness on a personal level for these individuals. I also think the US government should do a better job of vetting people and seeing where their loyalties lie.

I don't mean to rag on immigrants only. I met people like who were born in the US as well. I once knew a guy of Irish ancestry who hated American and always talked about how he's Irish and was going to move to Ireland even though he's never been there before.

I am going to watch you TS and wait until you hear what Trump and the magats have to say about America.

They truly hate it and think it a complete shit hole and are proud to say it.

 

[Fluffernutter]

As long as they are legal, they can pick whatever favorite they want.

The pull for home is always strong

I agree with your sentiment. But, if the subject of the OP is someone that wants to represent America abroad in an official diplomatic capacity, I would hope they are more loyal to the US than another country.

 

[Fluffernutter]

Its easy to counter that by saying then why are you here if your country is awesome

Russians especially dig to do this "my country is great" stuff in my experience

I work with a dual citizen US/Russia.

He never says Russia is great. If fact, quite the opposite. He loves the US.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

A while back, I was seeing this woman who migrated from Peru to the US when she was in her early teens, became naturalized, went to college in the States, worked abroad as an English teacher (thanks to her US passport), and was preparing to apply for some job working for the US state department. To me, her story sounded like a success story of a poor immigrant who was able to make it in America. But she was a woke social justice warrior who complained about how America is racist and sexist, which sounds like every other American woman. When talking about "her country," she talks about Peru, despite now speaking English better than Spanish. Despite her having American citizenship, having had opportunities thanks to America, and was looking to work in the US Government, she still said she is loyal to "her country" of Peru. This seems like a contradiction in values to me.

Now I have no personal dog in this fight, but I find it funny that immigrants who willingly move to another country and become naturalized to reap the benefits are still patriotic to their "home country" instead of being grateful for the new opportunities. This cognitive dissonance must create some sort of unhappiness on a personal level for these individuals. I also think the US government should do a better job of vetting people and seeing where their loyalties lie.

I don't mean to rag on immigrants only. I met people like who were born in the US as well. I once knew a guy of Irish ancestry who hated American and always talked about how he's Irish and was going to move to Ireland even though he's never been there before.

Lol at all this concern over "loyalty." Unless your country is being occupied by another, loyalty doesn't matter.

Here's how you show loyalty: pay taxes, don't commit crimes. Who gives a shit what people consider "their country" or who they root for in the Olympics and World Cup.

No surprise that this is a major concern for right wingers, though. They're an extremely emotional group so stupid symbolic shit like this is of utmost importance to them.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

If I move somewhere and live there until I die, I'm still a Native born American and am allowed to still love America.

Dont like it? Kiss my American @ss.

Now if that made you all tingly, the same applies for anyone who moves here from anywhere else. No one owes you Nationalist purity.

/thread.

Tremendous post. And you should be allowed to criticize wherever you moved to as well.

But conservatives love them some authoritarianism. State worship is big with these guys. No one criticize the motherland! Stalin, Mussolini, Franco are looking up and nodding in approval.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

My family and I integrated when we moved from Slovakia to Canada, and then a second time when we moved to the USA. I don't see why others can't or refuse to.

 

[Fury]

I work with a dual citizen US/Russia.

He never says Russia is great. If fact, quite the opposite. He loves the US.

I've never heard a legal Russian immigrant say Russia was great. There's some culture shock for sure but never that it was better there.

 

[Islam Imamate]

My family and I integrated when we moved from Slovakia to Canada, and then a second time when we moved to the USA. I don't see why others can't or refuse to.

Why so you mean by integrate here?

 

[Cole train]

I've never heard a legal Russian immigrant say Russia was great. There's some culture shock for sure but never that it was better there.

I work with a dual citizen US/Russia.

He never says Russia is great. If fact, quite the opposite. He loves the US.

Iv heard plenty, actually a lot

Grew up 1 hour from russian border lol and most of social circle is russian speakers

Buut everyones experience is different

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

My family and I integrated when we moved from Slovakia to Canada, and then a second time when we moved to the USA. I don't see why others can't or refuse to.

Why so you mean by integrate here?

Adopt the culture, contribute to the prevailing society. Which is kind of funny because my parents picked Cleveland, OH due to its large Eastern Europe population, but I didn't see it that way.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Adopt the culture,

Adopt what culture? What does that mean in practice? Are Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans refusing to adopt American culture or is their culture contributing to it?

contribute to the prevailing society.

Most immigrants do though don't they?

Which is kind of funny because my parents picked Cleveland, OH due to its large Eastern Europe population, but I didn't see it that way.

In other words, your parents valued their culture and made it a point to move somewhere in the US that would make the cultural transition easier. Nothing wrong with that imo.

 

[fica]

A while back, I was seeing this woman who migrated from Peru to the US when she was in her early teens, became naturalized, went to college in the States, worked abroad as an English teacher (thanks to her US passport), and was preparing to apply for some job working for the US state department. To me, her story sounded like a success story of a poor immigrant who was able to make it in America. But she was a woke social justice warrior who complained about how America is racist and sexist, which sounds like every other American woman. When talking about "her country," she talks about Peru, despite now speaking English better than Spanish. Despite her having American citizenship, having had opportunities thanks to America, and was looking to work in the US Government, she still said she is loyal to "her country" of Peru. This seems like a contradiction in values to me.

Now I have no personal dog in this fight, but I find it funny that immigrants who willingly move to another country and become naturalized to reap the benefits are still patriotic to their "home country" instead of being grateful for the new opportunities. This cognitive dissonance must create some sort of unhappiness on a personal level for these individuals. I also think the US government should do a better job of vetting people and seeing where their loyalties lie.

I don't mean to rag on immigrants only. I met people like who were born in the US as well. I once knew a guy of Irish ancestry who hated American and always talked about how he's Irish and was going to move to Ireland even though he's never been there before.

Lol you can't have everybody in country hate same people native born hate it's freedom of speech because it all comes down to some native born espicaly whites

 

[calavera2]

A while back, I was seeing this woman who migrated from Peru to the US when she was in her early teens, became naturalized, went to college in the States, worked abroad as an English teacher (thanks to her US passport), and was preparing to apply for some job working for the US state department. To me, her story sounded like a success story of a poor immigrant who was able to make it in America. But she was a woke social justice warrior who complained about how America is racist and sexist, which sounds like every other American woman. When talking about "her country," she talks about Peru, despite now speaking English better than Spanish. Despite her having American citizenship, having had opportunities thanks to America, and was looking to work in the US Government, she still said she is loyal to "her country" of Peru. This seems like a contradiction in values to me.

Now I have no personal dog in this fight, but I find it funny that immigrants who willingly move to another country and become naturalized to reap the benefits are still patriotic to their "home country" instead of being grateful for the new opportunities. This cognitive dissonance must create some sort of unhappiness on a personal level for these individuals. I also think the US government should do a better job of vetting people and seeing where their loyalties lie.

I don't mean to rag on immigrants only. I met people like who were born in the US as well. I once knew a guy of Irish ancestry who hated American and always talked about how he's Irish and was going to move to Ireland even though he's never been there before.

MAGA it's in the slogan shit for brains

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

That’s a great story. That immigrant friend of yours really sums up the other 390 million people in the country

To claim there isn't a large contingent of latin American immigrants who carry on like that exposes your ignorance, not his.

 

[Blayt7hh]

To claim there isn't a large contingent of latin American immigrants who carry on like that exposes your ignorance, not his.

How the hell would you know? You basically admitted to never knowing in.

Oh I guess you have twitter so there’s that hahah

 

[USA!USA!]

I go to work every day, feed myself, do dishes, and lots of other things even if I don't like them. Of course, it makes sense. Complaining about it though (except in the sense of engaging in activism toward some improvement in society), does seem like a waste of energy and time, but I get that people need to vent sometimes whether it gets them anywhere or not.

Here's the thing. There's plenty of historical evidence the part of the OP's anecdote with the woman describing herself as a victim of racism and misogyny is more likely than not to be accurate. No way to know from here which is why I often say that anecdotes aren't worth a fuck. TS exposes the game when he says, "like all women."

Yeah of course there are issues and things that can be fixed. Not claiming it’s got everything figured out and perfect - of course not.

What I’m trying to say is that it’s important to have gratitude and respect. If you want to protest and fight for ideas sure, but still show respect and reverence for your home. Don’t live here if you can’t even do that - it’s very basic.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Yeah of course there are issues and things that can be fixed. Not claiming it’s got everything figured out and perfect - of course not.

What I’m trying to say is that it’s important to have gratitude and respect. If you want to protest and fight for ideas sure, but still show respect and reverence for your home. Don’t live here if you can’t even do that - it’s very basic.

Nah, people have freedom of speech which means they have the right to say what they want. If you don't like that maybe you're the one that should leave for a country that protects your feelings from mean words.

 

[Andy Capp]

Same... some German women when I was in science would dump on the states constantly. And yeah they flipped out when I asked what are you doing here then... oh because you have better opportunities and much more as women? Ah... gotcha. We were drinking at the time so it escalated quickly after I said that. Good times.

By the way, I lol'd @ "good times", not the incident per se. Just sayin'

 

[Andy Capp]

Yeah of course there are issues and things that can be fixed. Not claiming it’s got everything figured out and perfect - of course not.

What I’m trying to say is that it’s important to have gratitude and respect. If you want to protest and fight for ideas sure, but still show respect and reverence for your home. Don’t live here if you can’t even do that - it’s very basic.

I think you missed my main point. Hypothetically, I suggest that the person (if the anecdote is not fiction) may have arrived in the US feeling grateful and then was treated poorly, with practical concerns, like making money to send back home, she could not do much but take that shit except complain about it.

Again, I don't put much stock in anecdotes so who knows how much of the story is lacking context, how much is made up, etc. I'm just saying that my scenario is as likely as any.

 

[USA!USA!]

Nah, people have freedom of speech which means they have the right to say what they want. If you don't like that maybe you're the one that should leave for a country that protects your feelings from mean words.

Yeah man makes a lot of sense to move your life somewhere and then just trash the place. Great take.

I remember when gratitude was a virtue. I guess its not anymore?