International Americans - can somebody explain to me "illegals"?

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Rational Poster said:
Illegal entry is a misdemeanor and being imprisoned isn't one of the consequences.

You need to be a repeat offender to face time in prison. Deportation isn't even the default penalty for first time offenders, just a possible one.

Turns out the legal system is more complicated than colloquial phrases.
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Guess you just skipped the deported part...

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WillyWarminski said:
On the surface, it sounds self-explanatory.
"Illegal" is law breaking.
So, they should be imprisoned or deported.


In the UK, "immigrants" holds different annotations depending on your dog in the fight.
Immigrants though, aren't illegal.

Illegal immigrants in UK should be ejected.

What is the difference?
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I know it’s soooo confusing!

Trump has been found guilty of 34 criminal charges of falsifying documents etc. He has also been found liable of sexual abuse and defamation. But we don’t refer to him as an illegal.

Trump has had numerous close advisors found guilty of lying to congress and obstructing justice. Again nobody seems to refer to them as illegals either.

Whether or not you are referred to as an “illegal” depends largely on what crime you have committed and whether you have a minority status.
 
TribalDrumz said:
People need to call out the dbag more for that, every thread and post he makes is race related. No way he has any non white
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Yawn...

Please do dipshit... Others have tried

You fucking clowns pull the race card as soon you have zero reply to any topic.

Its basic NPC programming.... "racist, racist, racist..." lol

That's why no one pays attention to you anymore
 
rocketskates said:
Why weren’t there riots when Biden and Obama did mass deportations?

Not being a smartass, genuinely looking for your opinion.
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Because Biden and Obama didn't make a spectacle of it.

They didn't send masked officers to intercept working migrants on their way to immigration hearings or violate court orders to remove people just to hit an arbitrary daily quota.
 
Sinister said:
For a long time the US had "open borders" so long as certain groups (demographics) were the main ones profiting off of the US being a capitalist Nation, and minority groups were legally subjugated. Mexicans always lived in the West because it literally was Mexico, colonized largely by Spain. Hence the States that have Spanish names. Though over time we called many of these Mexicans "Indians" as a differentiation for when we drew the line on the map and pushed the notion of "Mexican" South of what's now the Western United States. It was when Southern Europeans started to arrive that the first immigration quotas popped up as Federal policies. Prior to that you had more local things like anti-Chinese groups who wanted workers from China minus the same legal protections as black workers.

That only worked for so long until the. majority demographic kind of assimilated even the Southern Europeans and the main shift of immigration limitation became aimed at Mexicans, Central, and South Americans. Before xenophobia became a political cudgel as potent as it is now, the response to undocumented immigration was generally to make it documented. Capitalists liked this because it created a market for cheap labor. Hence why staunch conservatives under Reagan were still fairly supportive of amnesty. Over time US conservatives soured on this and saw a means to sew greater divide between working class people the same way creating tiered employee ranks does in large workplaces. Then they convinced the "real" Americans that the "illegals" are getting popcorn, free cars, desserts, and trips to Disney World, while the "real" Americans have to work 14hr shifts and pay tens of thousands of dollars for healthcare.

The reason entering the US "illegally" is a Civil Infraction (which means NON-criminal), is because its understood that moving from one place to another place across an arbitrary line in the sand isnt inherently harmful to anyone. A kid walking through your yard is no specific threat to you, thus, there are legal steps to making that a criminal offense. And those steps are less easy when you're referring to public land.

The idea that a human being, in some random place on the earth, is "illegal" is an aspect of dominion ideology disguised as policy. In a World without these absurd ideologies, I could move to and work in any Country I damn well please so long as I'm not harming people, and if I do I'm subject to the laws. And I'm free to do this with minimal barriers of entry. Hyper-nationalism turns a Nations into a gaggle of xenophobes who constantly consume news validating their prejudices, and vote for isolationist/protectionist leaders thirsty for power. Good way to get a North Korea of the West.
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Excellent post. Homerun.

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WillyWarminski said:
On the surface, it sounds self-explanatory.
"Illegal" is law breaking.
So, they should be imprisoned or deported.


In the UK, "immigrants" holds different annotations depending on your dog in the fight.
Immigrants though, aren't illegal.

Illegal immigrants in UK should be ejected.

What is the difference?
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well, for one thing, we are landlocked with mexico, our biggest source of illegal immigrants but it goes deeper than that and it's not really simple. Mexico owned parts of what are now america for one thing, just look at all those spanish names and the most complicated issue is that they have worked in the country as illegals for a long time and there is nothing new about any of this, there has always been hatred for them and they seem to take it willingly historically. Hard working people that take pride in jobs that americans usually don't. Also, physically willing and able to do jobs us fat fucks wouldn't last a day at so, business owners use them as much as they can. They don't complain as much as americans, they work harder and they don't expect lots of money and they don't mind abuse seemingly.

Of course those aren't the only illegals but those are the ones getting the brunt of the xenophobia right now in America, it's probably going to spread to asians and africans too.
 
Rational Poster said:
Because Biden and Obama didn't make a spectacle of it.

They didn't send masked officers to intercept working migrants on their way to immigration hearings or violate court orders to remove people just to hit an arbitrary daily quota.
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ok, how did they do it so quietly? I still haven't heard much about obama's deportations but I've heard he did the most. Did people cooperate? Did they have to hunt them down?
 
mozfonky said:
ok, how did they do it so quietly? I still haven't heard much about obama's deportations but I've heard he did the most. Did people cooperate? Did they have to hunt them down?
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Did you read the post you quoted? They just didn't make a big deal about it. It wasn't a central part of their administration or their movements political identity.

Not to mention when you don't make a big deal about it and tell people you're coming, it's easier to locate people. Trump's ICE is ambushing migrant workers going through the legal process to remain and work in the country at their immigration hearings just to hit an arbitrary daily quota.

You ever heard the phrase you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar?
 
mozfonky said:
ok, how did they do it so quietly? I still haven't heard much about obama's deportations but I've heard he did the most. Did people cooperate? Did they have to hunt them down?
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It's (D)ifferent.
Just like the kids in cages.
 
oldshadow said:
They counted the ones turned around at the border but only a small number of the total were turned around still because of their policies.
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Bless his heart, he still doesn't know that Obama changed what counted as "deported" in 2009.

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