International American Public Support For Israel 'Fraying' Across Political Spectrum

[MicroBrew]

Paleocons, like Pat Buchanan and other America First conservatives, have always seen Israeli influence on US politics as very bad. It's just that the Neocons and establishment GOP suppressed these folks. A lot of MAGA are palecons, so less likely to be swayed by establishment GOP.

 

[evergreenrider]

Israeli Firm Plans Expanding Its Deployment of Video-Altering Tech

Toka sells hacking technologies capable of finding, accessing and manipulating security and smart camera footage.

truthout.org

This shit should scare the absolute dookie out of all you. In 2022 Israel had the ability to hack and ALTER surveillance systems, cellphone cameras, etc.

You don't even need to commit a crime,they'll create the evidence of it themselves. Feels so warm and inviting having them have influence and access of every aspect of life in the US.

 

[evergreenrider]

 

[evergreenrider]

Ari Emanuel, the talent agent and media executive, does not have any known ties to terrorism. However, it's important to clarify that his father, Benjamin Emanuel, served in the Irgun, a Jewish paramilitary organization that engaged in acts of violence against both British and Palestinian civilians in Mandatory Palestine. The Irgun is widely considered a terrorist organization by many due to its actions, including the King David Hotel bombing and the Deir Yassin massacre. While Ari Emanuel's father's involvement in the Irgun is a significant historical point, it is crucial to distinguish that Ari Emanuel himself is not associated with terrorism.

 

[Hog-train]

the worst place was a relatively sparsely populated region that's 60% desert centered around their religious homeland?

Yes so sparsely populated that 700,000 Palestinians had to get displaced and expelled from their homes to make way for Israel.

 

[kflo]

Yes so sparsely populated that 700,000 Palestinians had to get displaced and expelled from their homes to make way for Israel.

Why do you try to pretend you know what you’re talking about? You don’t.

 

[Hog-train]

Why do you try to pretend you know what you’re talking about? You don’t.

Stop denying common knowledge.

1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In the 1948 Palestine war, more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs – about half of Mandatory Palestine's predominantly Arab population – were expelled or fled from their homes, at first by Zionist paramilitaries. The expulsion and flight was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession, and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba.

 

[kflo]

Stop denying common knowledge.

1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In the 1948 Palestine war, more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs – about half of Mandatory Palestine's predominantly Arab population – were expelled or fled from their homes, at first by Zionist paramilitaries. The expulsion and flight was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession, and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba.

Israel was already defined and partitioned. And as you know, a large % of pals were told to leave or did so on their own accord so Israel can be defeated in a quick war after which they’d return. Palestine had a country. It was theirs. They went to war instead. And lost of course.

 

[Andy Capp]

I hear a lot of bitching and no real solutions. If enough Americans don’t want their government supporting Israel then democracy should do its thing and it will all work out. And are these Americans who are so against the existence of Israel going to move back to Europe and give their houses and land back to the American Indians? Because the USA is also a result of “stolen land” and “genocide” if that’s how you want to look at it.

what is it they say about people who live in glass houses?

meanwhile USA and Israel are both seen as very desirable places to live in their respective regions of the world.

Who is arguing that Israel should not exist?

 

[kflo]

Who is arguing that Israel should not exist?

anyone who wants to completely shut down support of israel and leave them to fight on their own, i'd say, doesn't really want them to exist. and clearly many posters on sherdog at min fall into this category. others are more explicit.

 

[Blastbeat]

Paleocons, like Pat Buchanan and other America First conservatives, have always seen Israeli influence on US politics as very bad. It's just that the Neocons and establishment GOP suppressed these folks. A lot of MAGA are palecons, so less likely to be swayed by establishment GOP.

which is ironic because Trump is Zion Don. he is a steadfast Israel supporter just like most of establishment politicians. you could say its because of his son-in-law, but the fact remains that Trump is very favorable towards Israel.

Opposition to Israel being re-framed as antisemitism is one of the more insidious viewpoints that previous establishment politics has made popular. i want less of our money going to Israel because i want that money to stay in America to help Americans, not because i hate Jews.

 

[Hog-train]

Israel was already defined and partitioned. And as you know, a large % of pals were told to leave or did so on their own accord so Israel can be defeated in a quick war after which they’d return. Palestine had a country. It was theirs. They went to war instead. And lost of course.

Yea ok there. Just like all the Jews that voluntarily left Eastern Europe and Poland during Nazi Germany's reign. They all did it out of their own accord. Not because they were scared for their lives.

Fuck out of here with your revisionist history. You shameless POS.

Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled their homes because they had no choice due to Israel's formation.

 

[IanEdwards]

anyone who wants to completely shut down support of israel and leave them to fight on their own, i'd say, doesn't really want them to exist.

nah, I don't reckon. left on their own they'd fucken own every single one of their neighbours all at the same time, the military-technological gap between israel and potential foes is far bigger than it was in 67 or 73 and they managed it then when in some ways they were at a technological disadvantage against Arab forces with new-ish Soviet tech (67 Israel were still fielding some ww2 Shermans, and obsolete French planes), nowadays out of the 2 major antagonists in 67/73 Syria is basically 0 threat in terms of being a peer conventional military, Egypt is out of the running due to treaties (and wanting to kiss the US arse) so who does that leave?

none of Israel's neighbours have the slightest chance of wiping them off the map, which they could only do by invading and occupying with ground forces, with or without US support of Israel. Iran is the only enemy big enough, and they aren't a neighbour and would have no chance of staging enough conventional forces to do the job into say Lebanon or Syria, without that raising MASSIVE FUCKING ALARM BELLS IN TEL AVIV, which would lead to those forces and every blade of grass around them , for miles, incinerated by nukes.

 

[Andy Capp]

anyone who wants to completely shut down support of israel and leave them to fight on their own, i'd say, doesn't really want them to exist. and clearly many posters on sherdog at min fall into this category. others are more explicit.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: neither criticism of Netanyahu and the actions of the Israeli government, nor taking steps to encourage a change in their behaviour, say by cutting or eliminating funding their activities, are equivalent to antisemitism nor the idea Israel shouldn't exist.

If they want to defy the international community/rule of law, by interfering with humanitarian relief, for example, they're choosing on behalf of all Israelis to go it alone. Other nations are not deciding that for them. Suggesting that the only course of action open to them is to starve the people and ethnically cleanse Gaza is ridiculous.

 

[IanEdwards]

i saw an interesting stat just now, that among Israelis, although some 34% of the public have declared their support for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and some 41% would like to see the status quo maintained , due to electoral arithmetic, power for most of this period has been in the hands of forces that have been consistently shifting the balance to the advantage of the Jewish side while supporting, or at least enabling, the expansion of West Bank settlements, at a faster or slower pace

 

[kflo]

Yea ok there. Just like all the Jews that voluntarily left Eastern Europe and Poland during Nazi Germany's reign. They all did it out of their own accord. Not because they were scared for their lives.

Fuck out of here with your revisionist history. You shameless POS.

Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled their homes because they had no choice due to Israel's formation.

you fuckin piece of shit trying to compare it to the holocaust. you are a know nothing who doesn't realize it.

 

[44nutman]

I think everyone agrees Israel should be able to defend themselves, but most people draw the line at slaughtering innocent people. As usual Isreal goes too far, which is why they always end up losing whatever support they got for defending themselves. I have seen this story with Isreal far too many times that I already know how it ends. 99% of the world typically is anti-genocide.
That said the US should stay the fuck out of it. That whole area has thousands of years of this bullshit.

 

[Hog-train]

you fuckin piece of shit trying to compare it to the holocaust. you are a know nothing who doesn't realize it.

Nah you the POS. A hypocritical one at that.

It's a horrible tragedy what happened to all the displaced Jewish people who lost their homes, but the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who also lost their homes is "voluntary." GTFO.

 

[kflo]

Nah you the POS. A hypocritical one at that.

It's a horrible tragedy what happened to all the displaced Jewish people who lost their homes, but the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who also lost their homes is "voluntary." GTFO.

You are trying to compare people who were forced from their homes into concentration camps with people who were directed by their friends to leave or chose to leave on their own so that their enemies could be defeated and eradicated. Fuck off with that bullshit.

 

[Last Falconry]

Isreal deserves its status as a pariah. I wish my dumb country full of fat morons didn't have to be dragged into it with them, but hey, that's a country full of fat morons for you