Am I the only one who thinks cain isn't really all that good?

Tankeray said:
This is terrible MMAth.

Using the Kongo fight is a terrible example (even though he won)- he has changed as a fighter, his striking is light years from what it was in the Kongo fight.

Then Cain fights JDS with a messed up ACL, that fight is hardly indicative of what Cain could have done, come on bro.

Who has better cardio than Cain at heavyweight? No one. Not even close.
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the messed up ACL is an terrible excuse, If it was truly taht bad he wouldn't have been able to fight, and it didn't matter anyways, he got Ko'd in 64 seconds bro his knee had no impact.
ok he has good cardio, diaz has best cardio at WW, give him the belt, he is number 1 now right?

he hasn't proved his standup is any better than kongo fight, He just got knocked out.
 
Yeah, he is pretty terrible the way he dominates people. He should move down and challenge GSP, he's so bad.
 
7th said:
looked good against bigfoot who destroyed Fedor. Might be a few who could beat him. I thought he was trash against Kongo, and a smarter Kongo would finish him, maybe even now. His chin is questionable.
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Like I said, Cain is a different fighter than he was when he fought Kongo. If they were to rematch I'd put money on Cain tooling Kongo on the feet.
 
Malas said:
How? He'd be losing to the #1 again. Overeem could be bumped to #2, then what?

Your logic is full of flaw.
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He will basically be a gatekeeper, if he loses to the number 1, he will definitely lose to overeem, he will be in a division where he has to fight up and comers or lower ranked HW's, he will never hold the belt again until the people better than him retire or something.
 
He was obliterated by JDS
His Kongo fight was terrible
His Brock win proved nothing, Brock was done at that point
His only other decent win was Nog (Rothwell, Silva are not top 15)
Other than that he's fought cans
 
Tankeray said:
Like I said, Cain is a different fighter than he was when he fought Kongo. If they were to rematch I'd put money on Cain tooling Kongo on the feet.
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he has a terrible chin man, 15 minutes against kongo, might get him another loss.
 
soccerkick666 said:
the messed up ACL is an terrible excuse, If it was truly taht bad he wouldn't have been able to fight, and it didn't matter anyways, he got Ko'd in 64 seconds bro his knee had no impact.
ok he has good cardio, diaz has best cardio at WW, give him the belt, he is number 1 now right?

he hasn't proved his standup is any better than kongo fight, He just got knocked out.
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Dude if you think that his ACL had no effect in the JDS fight you're out of your mind. You do realize how much that affects your movement...which is essential to...well pretty much everything. Its not an excuse, its a reality.

lolwut? I never said Cain should be given the belt because of his cardio, wtf? That is one aspect of his game that stands out in addition to his wrestling and striking.

Do you think Kongo is a more well-rounded fighter than Cain? Just curious.
 
Tankeray said:
Dude if you think that his ACL had no effect in the JDS fight you're out of your mind. You do realize how much that affects your movement...which is essential to...well pretty much everything. Its not an excuse, its a reality.

lolwut? I never said Cain should be given the belt because of his cardio, wtf? That is one aspect of his game that stands out in addition to his wrestling and striking.

Do you think Kongo is a more well-rounded fighter than Cain? Just curious.
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again, it's an excuse, people with serious ACL injures can NOT compete in an mma fight. if he was in fact injured, it was obviously very very very very minor, otherwise he would not have been cleared to compete, these are facts. so yes a slight, mediocre, irrelevant acl "injury" if you really want to call it that, had no effect on him getting ko'd in 1 minute.

No cain is leaps and bounds ahead of Kongo, everywhere except a kickboxing match, and I would take cain to win again in an fight against kongo, becasue he could take him down and repeat.
 
I sort of agree with TS on a few points. I mean Cain hasn't generally impressed me in terms of dominance but he's definitely good.

His best performance IMO was also his beatdown of Lesnar. Now Lesnar was an incomplete fighter but at that point in time Lesnar had come off an impressive win over Carwin and although this is merely speculation, I believe Lesnar was capable of beating Fedor whom all objective fans agree was the best HW ever.

However bringing up Fedor, I've never been super impressed by him either. I acknowledge he was the best, his incredible record against all the names he fought is impressive but aside maybe his fight with Randleman I've never felt just blown away by his fights.

Which brings me to my next point no heavyweight ever has ever really made me feel they were invincible. I kind of get that feeling with Jon Jones at LHW and Anderson Silva at MW and perhaps GSP at WW but nobody at HW even Fedor has ever seemed unstoppable. I see every HW as beatable. I think that's a testament to how unpredictable that division is. As shallow as it may seem the sheer size of the combatants there makes the proverbial puncher's chance much larger than in any other division.

So yes I agree Cain doesn't seem like a worldbeater to me but no HW does to me.
TS you have to give any HW champ, at least UFC or Pride champ, credit for being a champ even if they only seized it once. I dunno if Cain get avenge his loss to JDS or beat Reem or Werdum but he's one bad dude and if he ain't the best he's better than all but a handful of fighters out there.
 
soccerkick666 said:
I'm not trying to bash cain, he doesn't even have a dozen fights yet. But as of now I don't understand why alot of people think he is the number 1 HW...other than a lack of depth in the division.

his most impressive win was obviously when he won the belt, problem with that is he won it against lesnar, who is a terrible fighter, so cain basically got the belt and number 1 HW status for free. another impressive win was I don't know, big nog maybe? pat barry could probably ko big nog. besides that all that comes to mind when I think of cain is him getting dropped repeatedly and taken down by kongo, then getting ko'd in under 90 seconds by JDS in his first defense.

also mir has beat big nog twice, and beat lesnar also, and held the HW belt, and lasted longer against JDS than cain, that stomps cain's entire career and mir isn't even top 5. It just boggles my mind when I think of why people talk about cain so highly, I never thought he was an amazing fighter.

Anyone care to tell me why he is?
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How was Lesnar a terrible fight? He wasn't champion for nothing, and Cain dominated him. Not to mention dominating Big Foot, Big Nog, Rothwell, and coming back from taking Kongo's best shots to dominate him too. Even if he loses to JDS again he's still a top 2-3 HW and I'd take him to beat Overeem.
 
Any top 10 heavyweight would have beaten Brock that night...if it was Roy Nelson, he'd be the HW champ and everyone would say he's the GOAT.
 
Shadow Box said:
Just because JDS will KO him doesn't make him not good.

He has the tools to beat any HW.
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i agree
not sure about this last part tho lol the tool to beat any HW hmm.... he is a better skilled Brock?

GNP wrestler, good gas tank , not sure yet about chin.... but hey at least he learned to strike!!!! :(





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Cain is a great fighter, there's no doubt in my mind. He's not the most spectacular - he doesn't have Overeem's hulk power or JDS' insane boxing - but he comes to fight; his work-rate is phenomenal and he almost always gets the job done.

Sure, his r
 
IMO, not as good as JDS, Reem, or Cormier

But who knows, maybe Reem will lose to Bigfoot and Cain will retake the title. Stranger things have happened
 
soccerkick666 said:
again, it's an excuse, people with serious ACL injures can NOT compete in an mma fight. if he was in fact injured, it was obviously very very very very minor, otherwise he would not have been cleared to compete, these are facts. so yes a slight, mediocre, irrelevant acl "injury" if you really want to call it that, had no effect on him getting ko'd in 1 minute.

No cain is leaps and bounds ahead of Kongo, everywhere except a kickboxing match, and I would take cain to win again in an fight against kongo, becasue he could take him down and repeat.
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Yeah well we will see about that next weekend. And no, its not an excuse but we'll agree to disagree.
 
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