Am I the only one who thinks Alexa Grasso got lucky?

Gamer2k4 said:
She got lucky in the same way Edwards got lucky in the first title fight. Yes, it was a move they had both trained and were waiting for the opportunity to hit it, so in that sense it's not luck, but the fact remains that both would have lost their fights if not for that single move. If your best gameplan is "try to hang with them and hope you can hit your finisher," then yeah, actually pulling that off is at least a little bit lucky.
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Similar situation but Edwards was getting wrecked by Usman's bread and butter, wrestling. Valentina was grappling heavily (and tiring herself out) because she felt uncomfortable staying standing with Alexa. Alexa was losing on points definitively but she was never out of the fight the way it seemed Leon was after a strong first round.

Just because she outstruck Alexa on paper doesn't mean she was (or even believed) she was winning a striking battle with her on that night.
 
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SovereignPhantom said:
Similar situation but Edwards was getting wrecked by Usman's bread and butter, wrestling. Valentina was grappling heavily (and tiring herself out) because she felt uncomfortable staying standing with Alexa. Alexa was losing on points definitively but she was never out of the fight the way it seemed Leon was after a strong first round.

Just because she outstruck Alexa on paper doesn't mean she was (or even believed) she was winning a striking battle with her on that night.
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I said she was winning the fight, not the striking battle. And Shevchenko wrestles in all of her fights. All but one of her finishes have come on the ground. Maybe she was uncomfortable, maybe not - but she had a gameplan consistent with her gameplan in past fights, and she was ahead in the fight until the spinning kick went wrong.
 
SovereignPhantom said:
Similar situation but Edwards was getting wrecked by Usman's bread and butter, wrestling. Valentina was grappling heavily (and tiring herself out) because she felt uncomfortable staying standing with Alexa. Alexa was losing on points definitively but she was never out of the fight the way it seemed Leon was after a strong first round.

Just because she outstruck Alexa on paper doesn't mean she was (or even believed) she was winning a striking battle with her on that night.
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Only one fighter got wrecked in Edwards-Usman 2. Usman was on his way to a pedestrian 48-47 victory, but never got there. Meanwhile, had Shev not tapped, she and Grasso would have been tied 38-38 going into the fifth, and Shev was slowing down.
 
Not sure what fight some of you were watching tbh. Looked competitive and somewhat even to me. Valentina was definitely struggling with Grasso on the feet, and it was evident even in the first couple of minutes that it wouldn't be an easy fight.

So it was a competitive fight that Grasso finished decisively, how is that lucky?

The first Leon - Usman fight if anything fits the lucky narrative more.

But a bit like in the Leon rematch, even if the previous fight seems flukey, it's often a sign the champion has slipped quite a bit, and could signal the beginning of a skid.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if Grasso wins again.
 
Gamer2k4 said:
I said she was winning the fight, not the striking battle. And Shevchenko wrestles in all of her fights. All but one of her finishes have come on the ground. Maybe she was uncomfortable, maybe not - but she had a gameplan consistent with her gameplan in past fights, and she was ahead in the fight until the spinning kick went wrong.
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Val is well rounded and she was winning the fight. These are both pretty much objective facts. She wrestles, and she has finished good fighters on the ground so we're in agreement there.

But she's an opportunistic and strategic fighter. She will go where she needs to in order to win. That's why she wrestled heavy from the start with Andrade who is dangerous early on the feet and not as much with Joanna who has good TDD and weak punches.

I'm not saying Val sucks at all, just that she underestimated the pop in Alexa's punches (I sure did) and didn't have the ability to adjust to it in a way that she could ride out the fight for 25 minutes.

You don't just mis-time a bread and butter technique in a fight you're winning because of a scratch on your nose. She was tired and either that's her opponent's doing or her own strategic blunder that cost more energy than planned (notice Alexa was on bottom, yet fresher). Maybe next time she will kick Alexa's ass. But it wasn't a fluke.
 
Have you seen her training video practicing exactly that? That is no luck.
 
She hung in there and found a way to win; isn't that what we all want a fighter to do?
 
except for the part where they were training to do that move the whole fight camp. but yes, extremely lucky, fluke, once in a million type of fight. you know shevchenko was still pulsating from them 3s they have with jones.
 
Fight Professor said:
Sherdog was staying the same about Leon.

In reality instant title rematches typically end up with the same winner.
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Former champs are 2-8 in rematches if they're 35yo or older. There was a thread about it last week.
 
There was zero percent luck involved in her win, tf u talking about, what you mean is she maximized her chance in winning by studying Valentina’s weakness so there was zero luck involved instead full awareness. If anything it’s one of the unluckiest move in mma history.
 
She literally said she trained for that.
 
Geniusss said:
She hit Valentina clean in a couple of exchanges in the first round.

Other than she was losing the whole fight (at stand-up too) after that until thay damn failed spinning back kick from Valentina.

She was only winning 1 round, the first one and even that round was very close, I would give it to her only because she got Valentina clean a couple of times.

I don't want to take anything away from Grasso tho, she got a lot of heart and she is tough, she brought the fight to Valentina and she wasn't scared like a lot of other girls but I just feel she got lucky with that finish, am I the only one thinking that way?

With that being said I think she is losing the rematch
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Wasn’t lucky. That’s disrespectful. But the other posters here and going too far the other way by claiming she specifically game planned this to beat Val.

She seized on the opportunity as it presented. Any high level mma fighter practices counters to common moves, spinning back kick included.

Never call anything lucky or a fluke in mma, people get mad and you will be accused of coping.


I believe Val looked better until she didn’t, and is the better fighter. But grasso ended up winning decisively and that isn’t lucky but skilful, but still not planned like people are claiming.

Valentina wins the rematch 49-46 imo. Santos or Blanchfield are the future not Grasso imo.
 
They were training taking Valentina's back when she did her spinning moves. It was planned and trained.

You gotta think, every single coach and is studying all of Val's fights. You've got a target on you. The girls are just catching up with her and have a ton of footage on her to study.

I think Val beats her 8/10 times but she is going to start having much closer fights than before.
 
Wmma has more than it's fair share of irrational fanboys. A good example was when Rose picked up that fan voted crypto bonus ........ for her performance against Esparza.


Should add Val getting the crypto against Taila Santos as well
 
Geniusss said:
What's that?



Miocic won
Nunes won
Adesanya might win
Etc etc
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Cormier fought Lewis between his two fights with Stipe so it wasn’t an instant rematch. Nunes is the only one I can think of off the top of my head who qualifies and actually won.

BJ lost
Cody lost
Silva lost
Max lost
Edgar lost
 
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