Am I the only one who thinks Alexa Grasso got lucky?

[wwkirk]

He is probably posting from the bushes outside of Shevchenko's house. He is the SeverainB (or whateverthefuck) of Shevchenko fans.

lol

 

[drbolony]

TS is obsessed with this fight.

He's obsessed with Valentina. The Spanish and funny dances have him risking it all.

 

[Bearknuckle]

Im not even a fan of wmma and can care less about the result.

but from a fight fans perspective. Alexa was on her way to losing a decision, and valentina fucked up by throwing a spinning kick in so close. Props to alexa for seeing the opening and going for it, but that doesnt happen 9/10 times in that scramble. So i’d say yeah it was a bit of luck.

Luck is when something very rare happens for a person. Intent has no bearing on it. Like when a football team is up by 2 with :20 secs left, the other team recovers an onside kick and kicks a game winning fg. Everyone knows the onside kick is around a 5% possibility of being successful. So out of 100, 95 of the time it wouldve been game over, but sometimes, shit happens. Or when a basketball player heaves a full court shot as time expires, 99 out of 100 it wont go in, but it has.

and to remind u, im not some salty valetina fan, check my post history, i always make fun of wmma lol

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Sherdog was staying the same about Leon.

In reality instant title rematches typically end up with the same winner.

Sherdog was saying the same when Nunes lost, trying to claim it was clearly a definitive result and we know how that went.

 

[Mittens]

He is probably posting from the bushes outside of Shevchenko's house. He is the SeverainB (or whateverthefuck) of Shevchenko fans.

Would say he's moved way past that to Sausage Carius depths.

 

[Gamer2k4]

She got lucky in the same way Edwards got lucky in the first title fight. Yes, it was a move they had both trained and were waiting for the opportunity to hit it, so in that sense it's not luck, but the fact remains that both would have lost their fights if not for that single move. If your best gameplan is "try to hang with them and hope you can hit your finisher," then yeah, actually pulling that off is at least a little bit lucky.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

So she manages to avoid a spinning side kick and take Val's back and you consider that lucky?

Go home and be a family man!

 

[Gamer2k4]

Luck is when something very rare happens for a person. Intent has no bearing on it. Like when a football team is up by 2 with :20 secs left, the other team recovers an onside kick and kicks a game winning fg. Everyone knows the onside kick is around a 5% possibility of being successful. So out of 100, 95 of the time it wouldve been game over, but sometimes, shit happens. Or when a basketball player heaves a full court shot as time expires, 99 out of 100 it wont go in, but it has.

That's a really good point. Of course the kicking team has trained to recover the onside kick. They practiced for that exact situation, just like Alexa and Leon practiced for their specific finishers. But it was still lucky that the training paid off.

 

[SaltedVinegarfootstomps]

Her team noticed a tendency in Shev that they identified as an opportunity and drilled Alexa for MONTHS on how to take advantage of it. I wouldn't call that luck. But unfortunately for her in a rematch it's a tendency that's ridiculously easy for Shev to eliminate from her game.

Unlikely to happen. Shev’s supreme arrogance has her maintaining that the spinning kick is a great technique that does lots of damage and she does not regret throwing it. Expect to see it again in the rematch.

 

[Gigacardio]

Even if it doesn't count as luck she's still going to get destroyed in the rematch.

 

[fzoid4454]

She hit Valentina clean in a couple of exchanges in the first round.

Other than she was losing the whole fight (at stand-up too) after that until thay damn failed spinning back kick from Valentina.

She was only winning 1 round, the first one and even that round was very close, I would give it to her only because she got Valentina clean a couple of times.

I don't want to take anything away from Grasso tho, she got a lot of heart and she is tough, she brought the fight to Valentina and she wasn't scared like a lot of other girls but I just feel she got lucky with that finish, am I the only one thinking that way?

With that being said I think she is losing the rematch

"Chance favors the prepared mind"
"Winners make their own luck"

She got an opening and was fully prepared to exploit it. There was no luck involved with the speed with which she was able to jump on and latch in the hooks from behind.

Having said that, yes, it's unlikely that she gets that kind of opportunity to exploit if they fight several more times, but she got it in this one and she was ready for it.

Compare that to how Leon Edwards won the belt - much more of a fluke than this one, but when the rematch came, he won, so who knows?

 

[Dreyga Hates You Sherbums]

She hit Valentina clean in a couple of exchanges in the first round.

Other than she was losing the whole fight (at stand-up too) after that until thay damn failed spinning back kick from Valentina.

She was only winning 1 round, the first one and even that round was very close, I would give it to her only because she got Valentina clean a couple of times.

I don't want to take anything away from Grasso tho, she got a lot of heart and she is tough, she brought the fight to Valentina and she wasn't scared like a lot of other girls but I just feel she got lucky with that finish, am I the only one thinking that way?

With that being said I think she is losing the rematch

Yea it's just you

 

[BangBang]

I think Valentina is the better fighter, but she's getting older and her ego is way too big. She can no longer afford to make some of the mistakes she's been making in her last fights.

She kept trying to outwrestle the bigger and stronger Santos just to prove a point. It was idiotic.

Alexa had trained for that stupid spinning kick. It reminded me of Weidman's versus Rockhold. He ended up losing the title and taking career altering damage. It's a real fight. There's no room for shit like that.

Can't believe I agree with you. Miracles do happen lol

 

[KillerIsBack V2]

Sherdog was staying the same about Leon.

In reality instant title rematches typically end up with the same winner.

I think this thread is stupid and not gonna address it. But your comment… is just wrong… like idk how u even imagined that was true. There is no way in these 4 pages u werent given the many examples disproving it.

 

[Iroh]

I am a huge Val fan, but Grasso was on fire that fight. Doesn't mean Val can't win in a rematch though. She'll have to have a different gameplan though.

 

[Fight Professor]

I think this thread is stupid and not gonna address it. But your comment… is just wrong… like idk how u even imagined that was true. There is no way in these 4 pages u werent given the many examples disproving it.

Of course there are exceptions. But there are not too many of them.

Nunes is a good one.

Stipe vs DC took over a year to rebook and they both were top notch champ material which is rarely the case.

Examples with JDS and GSP were not instant rematches.

What else did I miss? It looks like a small number compared to examples that fit the criteria as well as the number of likes of that post.

 

[KillerIsBack V2]

Of course there are exceptions. But there are not too many of them.

Nunes is a good one.

Stipe vs DC took over a year to rebook and they both were top notch champ material which is rarely the case.

Examples with JDS and GSP were not instant rematches.

What else did I miss? It looks like a small number compared to examples that fit the criteria as well as the number of likes of that post.

Now there are exceptions? Doesnt that make the sentence completely pointless?

lets agree on one thing, if a champ is exceptionally accomplished then it makes sense to give them an instant rematch. They earned that previlege. Lets dissect your example.

Nunes had 9 title fight wins in a row before that loss. And held belts at 2 weight classes (even if WFW was non-exiatant, it was still destroying cyborg and defending twice).

Usman’s title run was… do I even have to say anything?

If the decision went to Hendricks for example, nobody would be mad GoatSP got a rematch.

Nobody would have been mad if Aldo(FW G) got to rematch Conor. But hell no it wont be acceptable if eddie was given one. But speaking of conor, he got an instant record revenge against Diaz.

 

[SovereignPhantom]

So it's impossible to say for sure, of course. But you gotta remember, fighters can be losing on scorecards and score a surprising finish late. This doesn't make it "lucky." You gotta be on your toes the WHOLE fight until the ref says stop. Being able to capitalize on big moments while not leading on points is not inherently fluky.

Now, do I think Alexa wanted to end up under Valentina so often or that the stand up by the ref didn't hurt Valentina a bit? Of course not. But let's be real, Valentina is not a grappling finisher, she had PLENTY of time to work after round 1 and just tried to control.

Based on everything else we saw in the fight, Alexa's conditioning would have been just fine with a little more defensive play on bottom, and Valentina would be even MORE tired and frustrated, maybe even earlier on, if she had to grapple more.

Some people are acting like Valentina grapples that much in every fight. If she felt like she was the superior striker, she'd have kept kickboxing defensively like we see her do all the time. She is very well rounded, but kickboxing range is her forte. Alexa made her uncomfortable with her "scratching" punches so she left her comfort zone to try and play a wrestler, which tired her out against a strong defensive grappler.

Would I count on another sub by Alexa or even another decisive victory in a rematch? Nope, but she was the better fighter in the first fight, period.

 

[BangBang]

No chance lol.

 

[BangBang]

I am a huge Val fan, but Grasso was on fire that fight. Doesn't mean Val can't win in a rematch though. She'll have to have a different gameplan though.

Like engage her brain. Recently it seems like she's performing a routine for the judges like in gymnastics! Let her respect her opponent and let us ee what she does.