All Time GOAT poll

Determining who the greatest of all time (GOAT) is in any sport, including MMA (Mixed Martial Arts), is a subjective matter and often leads to debates and differing opinions within the community. Here are a few points to consider when discussing the GOAT status of an MMA competitor:

  1. Objective Achievements: One way to assess a fighter's GOAT status is to look at their objective achievements. This includes factors like the number of championship titles they've won, their record of victories and knockouts, their longevity in the sport, and the quality of opponents they've faced.

  2. Consistency: Consistency over a long period of time is often a hallmark of greatness. Fighters who have remained at the top of their division for an extended period tend to be considered for the GOAT status.

  3. Style and Dominance: How a fighter performs in the cage can also influence their status. Fighters who have displayed a dominant and unique style, perhaps even changing the way the sport is played, are often given consideration.

  4. Impact on the Sport: Fighters who have had a significant impact on the growth and popularity of MMA may be considered for the GOAT status. This includes factors like marketability, drawing power, and influence outside the cage.

  5. Clean Record: Fighters with clean records, free from controversies related to cheating or performance-enhancing drugs, tend to have a stronger case for GOAT status. Accusations of cheating can certainly tarnish a fighter's legacy and affect how they are perceived by the community.
It's important to remember that no consensus exists on who the MMA GOAT is, and opinions will vary widely. The fact that some members of the MMA community might view a fighter as a cheat can be a factor in the discussion but should be weighed against the fighter's overall body of work, achievements, and contributions to the sport. Ultimately, the GOAT debate in MMA is subjective, and different fans and experts will have different criteria for making their judgments.
 
Lee_ said:
Determining who the greatest of all time (GOAT) is in any sport, including MMA (Mixed Martial Arts), is a subjective matter and often leads to debates and differing opinions within the community. Here are a few points to consider when discussing the GOAT status of an MMA competitor:

  1. Objective Achievements: One way to assess a fighter's GOAT status is to look at their objective achievements. This includes factors like the number of championship titles they've won, their record of victories and knockouts, their longevity in the sport, and the quality of opponents they've faced.

  2. Consistency: Consistency over a long period of time is often a hallmark of greatness. Fighters who have remained at the top of their division for an extended period tend to be considered for the GOAT status.

  3. Style and Dominance: How a fighter performs in the cage can also influence their status. Fighters who have displayed a dominant and unique style, perhaps even changing the way the sport is played, are often given consideration.

  4. Impact on the Sport: Fighters who have had a significant impact on the growth and popularity of MMA may be considered for the GOAT status. This includes factors like marketability, drawing power, and influence outside the cage.

  5. Clean Record: Fighters with clean records, free from controversies related to cheating or performance-enhancing drugs, tend to have a stronger case for GOAT status. Accusations of cheating can certainly tarnish a fighter's legacy and affect how they are perceived by the community.
It's important to remember that no consensus exists on who the MMA GOAT is, and opinions will vary widely. The fact that some members of the MMA community might view a fighter as a cheat can be a factor in the discussion but should be weighed against the fighter's overall body of work, achievements, and contributions to the sport. Ultimately, the GOAT debate in MMA is subjective, and different fans and experts will have different criteria for making their judgments.
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Thanks, ChatGPT.
 
He is a cheat, but he is also the most skilled fighter in the history of the sport. Absolutely demolished people who were using 20 different steroids at once. Eyes can’t fool you, he has it all and his record is the most impressive in the history of sport. Mind you, some of his opponents in that run are also confirmed cheats, some are very doubtful and he still showed levels of difference. You don’t need to consider him a GOAT for him to have the most diverse MMA game ever.
 
I believe he cheated and he's one of my favorite fighters. However, I do believe him to be the GOAT. I think most fighters have cheated and if were being honest, it takes more than juice to be great. If roids increased things like fight IQ then Chael would really be undefeated and would never throw shit like a spinning backfist against Silva. Steroids improve the body, not the mind. At the end of the day, Jones still beat all the people he beat, his record is what it is as are his skills. There are going to be those that think he's the GOAT and then there are going to be the ones that only see him as a cheater, whatever you pick you can't deny he has the best resume in the sport's history.
 
Captain_Dammitt said:
I believe he cheated
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If cheating was really a honest argument, everyone would disqualify fighters without a proper resume under USADA.

But they are delusional haters under fake arguments, hence why it doesn't matter to compare Jon jones against fighters who never or almost never fought under USADA.

Jon Jones never failed a drug test without USADA. He has never been recognized guilty anyway, so it doesn't matter.
 
maximus__ said:
The guy has the most PED failures without a life long suspension in the UFC and has only ever really fought in the UFC. Still a great fighter, but he loses some of those close decisions without being on PED's.
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Jones has exactly one PED testing failure. He had a non-PED failure as well, and a PED "failure" that was essentially overturned by dropping his suspension and that all non-haters recognize as stemming from the same incident as his real PED failure. He's a cheater, but haters like you do yourselves no good by vastly overstating the case.
 
Yellowcrab said:
If cheating was really a honest argument, everyone would disqualify fighters without a proper resume under USADA.

But they are delusional haters under fake arguments, hence why it doesn't matter to compare Jon jones against fighters who never or almost never fought under USADA.

Jon Jones never failed a drug test without USADA. He has never been recognized guilty anyway, so it doesn't matter.
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Well, the rest of my post kind of went into why it doesn't but that doesn't change that I think he did. It's just strange that he popped right after getting into powerlifting in his time off, I think we all know what goes on in that sport and he also popped for the same thing his brother did. All signs point to yes. Just saying.
 
Captain_Dammitt said:
Well, the rest of my post kind of went into why it doesn't but that doesn't change that I think he did. It's just strange that he popped right after getting into powerlifting in his time off, I think we all know what goes on in that sport and he also popped for the same thing his brother did. All signs point to yes. Just saying.
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Indeed, he probably cheated, that's my personal opinion.

But i also believe that many other fighters cheated as well and weren't caught. However, if you say that they will say we have no evidence.

Fine, then if we stand by official facts only, then Jon Jones has never cheated since he was never proven guilty of anything <GOT2>
 
Pequeño Corey said:
I guess you just have to really ask yourself if we’ve ever seen someone better. Even DC acknowledged that Jon didn’t need PEDs. Same with Chael. The skill, natural ability, grit, and raw strength is just undeniable.

A clean Jon Jones would have been even better. The version that we got was only tapping a fraction of his potential. He aced this sport while being an addicted fuck up, and that’s just hard for a lot of people to accept.
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Lolololol "a clean jon Jones would have been even better" lolololololol
 
Juice said:
Everyone does not know that, you know why? Because you can't speak for everyone.

Oh btw Jones is the GOAT. It don't matter how much in denial you are about it.
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Idiots who like to troll. As I already said.
 
VenomCarnage said:
I have always hated that narrative.

The whole “he never needed them, he would have won anyway”.

If this fella was juicing since his early 20’s, with one of the most advantageous physiques in the history of combat, how can we start assuming that he would have just always been great.

Would he have a worse gas tank? Less speed? Less explosiveness?

It’s impossible to know.
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“If”. You’re speculating, just like me. No one knows.
markys00 said:
Lolololol "a clean jon Jones would have been even better" lolololololol
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A hypothetical Jon Jones with no addiction issues? Yea, that guy would be better than the Jones we know, and there’s nothing controversial about that speculation. I guess in your mind, a coke addled alcoholic party animal is operating at 100%

Lol away my friend. You haters truly are the most delusional people on sherdog. He’s the GOAT while treating this shit like a part time job, and you can’t take it from him. No one has beaten him in the octagon.

Cope on.
 
JBJ was here said:
Jones has exactly one PED testing failure. He had a non-PED failure as well, and a PED "failure" that was essentially overturned by dropping his suspension and that all non-haters recognize as stemming from the same incident as his real PED failure. He's a cheater, but haters like you do yourselves no good by vastly overstating the case.
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No. He has two PED failures in his career and only because they made up that pulsing excuse.
He popped for clomiphene and turinabol in 2 seperate suspensions. He then continued to pulse for turinabol indefinitely depending on when he was tested.

There is one issue with the whole pulsing excuse. The study was done on clomiphene, which he didn't pulse for. His brother also popped for the same PED at the exact same time as him.

He continued to use it throughout his career and should have received a life long ban. He got off by providing information in exchange for a shorter suspension whilst being able to effectively continue using. His admission to hiding under the cage would also be considered a failed test under the current testing structure by failing to provide a sample.

All whilst he maintains the narrative he never used PEDs and took a gas station dick pill only and could never test clean again. It's not hate, it's calling bullshit on his crappy excuses when the obvious is right there. He should have been banned from the sport for life around the Gustaffson 2 fight.
 
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