All Time GOAT poll

[Pequeño Corey]

Uh...no? Why risk his career using PEDs if he doesn't need them?

The mental gymnastics here. Sheesh.

Mental gymnastics is watching the guy’s career and then pretending that PEDs made him that way

 

[ermac88]

Honest question to Jones fans. I am done arguing with you guys and if in the face of all the evidence , if you still support your boy so be it .

But if sherdog is to represent a microcosm of the world wide MMA community, I believe it is safe to say that half of this community does not believe Jones to be goat due to PED usage.

Don't you all thing that you would at least need a majority of people to believe a fighter is goat before designating this label to him/her?

Doesn't it bother you at all that Jones does not have that support of the MMA community?

Sherdog doesnt represent the "MMA community" its a random forum with in reality of bunch of random people, many who dont know anything about the sport and some who are likely children.

I can't speak for all fans, but as someone who's watched since Shamrock and Gracie were fighting, guys were roiding since then for 4k a fight. Shamrock openly says, you have to be pretty blind not to see whats going on.

They're all juicing. It didn't suddenly stop when USADA came around.

Now that fighters are making potentially millions, it would be sheer stupidity to think they stopped using when there was more money at stake and fighters could make careers out of it.

7 of Jones opponents have popped, some from Pride where steroids were literally encouraged.

You either have to be
a) purposely naive
b) just started watching MMA
c) Stupid

--- to not know whats going on.

No one has a better performance pre or post USADA.



Further if you think athletes in big sports making damn near billions are natty, I got some news for you.

 

[Dana's Conscience]

None of you guys actually care that he used steroids in principle. You care because you don't like Jon (and often Silva too).

 

[Misanthropist]

I like how everyone ignored all of Jones opponents before 2016 who are all know roid abusers. DC was also one (Olympians are roid abusers). Heck, every top tiers Sherdoggers have a hard ons were also ROID abuser back then.

Sherdog fan favourites are truly immune to criticism.

 

[DecisionSplit]

There a real simple metric to use to label someone a roid user, it's a failed drug test. You can move the goalposts and dance around all you want but the only way to be a proven steroid cheat is fail a drug test.

You just contradicted yourself in your own post. A roid cheat can cheat without failing a test. Lance Armstrong passed basically every single test. Barry Bonds never failed an MLB sanctioned test. Just because a fighter in the UFC never failed a test does not mean that they didn't abuse PEDs and get away with it. It means they either didn't use ever or didn't get caught using. There are other ways to prove someone used steroids beyond a test. A simple one would be them admitting it. Or getting caught having PEDs shipped to their home address, someone selling them PEDs, and so on.

You act like the testing is foolproof and perfect. We know from the past that dirty fighters can flush things out of their system. And that often times USADA won't aggressively track down fighters who are in remote regions.

 

[dc007]

They're all on steroids. He's the best I've ever seen and I've been around longer than almost all of you.

 

[Slapjit]

I was always been feel that steroid is good. Not just for sport but anything.

Seeking the steroid is evidence of a mindset built for #success, as it was demonstrating that they been willing to do ever what it take to create #victory

This is our champion, Bones Jon Jones. He understand how to 10x his results.


#nothingisimpossible #mindsetmastery #cardone10x

 

[Thatlookinhiseyes]

You have to exclude every fighter pre USADA from the goat convo if you draw this line. My view is he tested negative for his wins that are still on his record and one of his positives wouldn't be a positive anymore so just judge him on that.

It wouldn't surprise me if the majority of fighters were juicing but had effective masking agents. While I would like a clean sport it is silly to ignore his achievements when his so far ahead of everyone else. There isn't anyone in the goat convo close enough to even get a sniff.

Demetrius Johnson gets forgotten about way to much here

 

[Humongo]

Just ask the figthers who is the goat. They know.

 

[clutchCAT420]

Mighty mouse is the Goat

 

[pamirec]

Same here. Is he that good without teh sauce? I don’t think so. Hoids and dirty fighting tactics, helluva combination.

 

[sanguinius]

By being the best and greatest fighter of all time.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Honest question to Jones fans. I am done arguing with you guys and if in the face of all the evidence , if you still support your boy so be it .

But if sherdog is to represent a microcosm of the world wide MMA community, I believe it is safe to say that half of this community does not believe Jones to be goat due to PED usage.

Don't you all thing that you would at least need a majority of people to believe a fighter is goat before designating this label to him/her?

Doesn't it bother you at all that Jones does not have that support of the MMA community?

LOL at sherdog Karens still not at peace with the GOAT being the GOAT. But but he s mean. STFU.

 

[daniel san]

I think probably most fight fans that aren't naive, think that most elite fighters are on something. In other words, who cares, they are all on steroids.

 

[HoelHomero]

Denying he's the GOAT is denying reality, simple as that. You can think of Jon whatever you want, but he is the best fighter we've ever seen in MMA.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Jon will go down as one of the most gifted fighters most of us will see in most our lifetimes in terms of physical talents and fight IQ, but he will never be considered the GOAT because he is a roiding cheat.
Simple as.

Issue we have is that if we are totally honest, almost all of the GOAT contenders were on PEDs.
We can’t start doing this ‘let’s give the GOAT award to the guy down in 8th place because he’s the only one who was clean’.

Yes, you most certainly can. But here in reality, we use actual failed drug tests as evidence for claims, not "Well, muh everyone was on roids at the time!" Really? Then it's Jon's stupid ass fault he got caught and destroyed his legacy. Only 5 of those 20 names are in GOAT contention anyway.

 

[Quietus]

Anyone who thinks he isn't a cheat is lying to themselves. Even if you want to somehow justify his flagrant PED use, lets talk about using eye pokes as striking defence to stop anyone from walking him down, he did that to a dozen opponents and should've lost a point in several of his close fights for that, which then would've been losses on his record. He also lost to Reyes and was gifted a business decision because keeping him undefeated is better for the UFC, and was nearly taken to his limit by a Thiago Santos with no knees. Jon would have 4-5 losses on his record if the rules weren't being bent in his favor, that's no GOAT.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Honest question to Jones fans. I am done arguing with you guys and if in the face of all the evidence , if you still support your boy so be it .

But if sherdog is to represent a microcosm of the world wide MMA community, I believe it is safe to say that half of this community does not believe Jones to be goat due to PED usage.

Don't you all thing that you would at least need a majority of people to believe a fighter is goat before designating this label to him/her?

Doesn't it bother you at all that Jones does not have that support of the MMA community?

I don't think 50% of people thinking he's a cheat is the issue. It's the fact that he is 100% objectively a proven cheat that's the problem, regardless of what people think about it

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Makhachev who literally illegally took an IV in Australia?

Come on buddy. Santa isn’t real, let’s have a grown-up conversation.

The irony

Most fighters have visibly cheated in one way or another right? Whether it be eye pokes, grabbing the fence, grabbing a glove, grabbing the shorts etc.. DC grabbing the towel to make weight and eye poking Stipe. Kelvin gastelum leaning on his coach to make weight. GSP getting greased up etc..

A foul doesn't automatically invalidate your performance or results. PEDs do.

I think the number of people on gear in pro sports in general is extremely underestimated by a lot of people.

And you think the nature thing to do is throw the baby out with the bath water then

Also USADA has done shady shit themselves like asking fighters to snitch in order to avoid a longer suspension.

First chance to say something shady and you pick something that's not at all shady. Good job, guy

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Probably because when you measure length and level of domination against overall quality of opposition, Jones comes out looking the best. I dont give a shit about PED usage in this discussion because i'm not naive enough to think any of these fuckers were actually clean whether they got caught or not.