All Time GOAT poll

[DiddlyDoodly]

The fact that this fight is even taking place is a joke.

 

[DiddlyDoodly]

Jones should be a -10000 favorite.

 

[Braxton88]

He was clearly a cheater, that’s the tough part. It doesn’t automatically make you the GOAT so obliviously Jon is special regardless.

it dampens his accomplishments tho. The Francis fights needs to happen. It would be such a shame if we never get to see that.

 

[Jonesisnatural]

Yeah he could get koed in the first round and he'll still be goat
He could then go on a ten fight losing streak
It doesn't matter.
It's already written until somebody surpasses him.
Really any choice between him, Anderson, gsp and Fedor is acceptable to me.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

I feel he is currently head to head with GSP. A win over Stipe, the UFC HW GOAT, is what he needs legacy wise.

Pavlovich has almost no legacy. People just want Jones to lose.

i think people also want to see him vs a dangerous HW. but i'm not sold Pavlovich wouldn't just get taken down too. it was always Ngannou who i wanted to see him against. because that's the first fight where he would have the least amount of advantages.

 

[sonhow]

You either already think Jones is goat or never will. If he were to defend belt million times I still wouldnt think of his as Goat over GSP due to all his goofing. He is the *GOAT to me. P4p I dont favor anyone over him.

 

[icemun]

He can never be the GOAT imo. But if you’re the type of person that doesn’t care about his multiple PED failures, he’s probably already your GOAT and that’s fine.

Featuring an avatar with a fighters from,,,Pride?

 

[MrCoffee]

Ok in all seriousness, I've given this a lot of thought.

So many great and dominant champions, yet only a few could be in this highly important and dedicated discussion.

Fedor was so dominant in a weight category that we see champs change like soiled diapers. Fedor beat all of the best and remained on top for a decade. He was very well rounded and beat the best of the best during his reign.

GSP is the WW best so far. He avenged his only losses, and doubled down on Matt Hughes by winning via armbar revenge with verbal submission. Matt screamed for the ref to stop. GSP made Fitch look like he showed up to the wrong address. Broke Koscheck's face...

Anderson Silva finally hit his stride. He absolutely rearranged Franklin's face, finished him again, beat LHWs on the side, and gave us highlight reel finishes. Anderson made people anticipate his skills.

Jon Jones. He is the current HW champ. Fought a guy we saw display low fight IQ. At LHW he dominated, but the drugs will always be an issue. What really matters is that it is 2023 now. A new world. If Jones identifies as a farm animal, and a goat, we absolutely must call him a goat and respond as goats. I will only answer goat responses in respect of Jones as a self identifying farm animal goat in 2023. Anyone who uses the wrong animal, straight to jail.

 

[Juice]

And that's great but Belfort wasn't even ranked at light heavyweight when they fought, Machida only had a 1-win streak, Rashad 4 and Rampage 2. Shields and Fitch were not former champions but had better win streaks when they faced GSP.

What does win streaks have to do with anything? Especially when they were never champs?

Fitch and Shields wins streaks were against a bunch of nobodies. And neither one were champion material.

GSP got subbed by one dimensional Matt Hughes.

GSP got KO'ed by a midget and tapped to strikes.

GSP lost to Hendricks.

GSP ran from USADA

GSP cherry picked one eyed Bisping LMAO.

Jones resume is way more impressive than GSP's overrated record on any and every level.

 

[Juice]

Fedor beat all of the best and remained on top for a decade.

Sorry bro but I just had to respond to this.

Fedor was not undefeated for a decade.

 

[orca]

just look at who beat the most skilled fighter
and who has more finishes
silva was p4p ahead of gsp when they where in their reign
this poll is only for people voting for their favorite fighters
GOAT is jon jones even if u like it or not
silva gsp and miocic are next

 

[balkanbomber85]

I think its time to start thinking about including Volk in the poll!

I was thinking that Usman might be the first one to enter the poll but we all saw what happened... Maybe Adesanya could be in the discussion as well but not at the moment.

 

[Hima Hamrash]

That's a bs lost.. doesn't matter. You have to beat Rickson in MMA

Either way, he lost at some point in his life, just like how ppl can brag about Khabib losing to Magomed Ibragimov and that was outside of MMA, or Jon losing to Riddle x2 and that was outside MMA...etc, Rickson didn't lose in MMA yes but he lost to Tripp like I said.

 

[noc]

Either way, he lost at some point in his life, just like how ppl can brag about Khabib losing to Magomed Ibragimov and that was outside of MMA, or Jon losing to Riddle x2 and that was outside MMA...etc, Rickson didn't lose in MMA yes but he lost to Tripp like I said.

I bet they could be beat in a Karate tournament too doesn't matter

 

[Jack Bauer]

What does win streaks have to do with anything? Especially when they were never champs?

Fitch and Shields wins streaks were against a bunch of nobodies. And neither one were champion material.

GSP got subbed by one dimensional Matt Hughes.

GSP got KO'ed by a midget and tapped to strikes.

GSP lost to Hendricks.

GSP ran from USADA

GSP cherry picked one eyed Bisping LMAO.

Jones resume is way more impressive than GSP's overrated record on any and every level.

Terrible take.

if GSP wasn't around, Shields and Fitch easily could have been champion. It was a very competitive division if you take Georges out of it. Just a laughable opinion.

GSP got subbed as a 22 year old against a guy who was considered #1 pound for pound in the world before his previous fight with BJ. Hughes still has the second most title defences at welterweight, but whatever.

GSP lost to Serra. It happened and it was the only fight he looked wholly unprepared. He learned from it and went 13-0 to end his career against a murderer's row.

Beat Hendricks (barely). Hendricks was clearly a different fighter in the USADA era.

GSP didn't run from USADA. THat didn't come into effect until 2015. GSP was SICK of the UFC not doing enough for drug testing and had had enough. He tried his best to change it and the UFC wouldn't budge, so he left. Why do you think Dana was so salty after he defended his title and said he was stepping away?

GSP, after 4 years away, under USADA, went up and weight and finished the Middleweight champion. I agree Bisping isn't the strongest champ, but it's still an excellent win against a bigger opponent.

Jones resume is fantastic. But GSP fought the #1 contender for years in a tough division. Fightmetrics point system has GSP #1 all time because he fought guys at their absolute peak and made it look easy for the most part. Jones probably has the best resume, but GSP's is right up there.

 

[Hima Hamrash]

Like how most people of Sherdog say: Fedor Emelianenko is the Greatest Heavyweight of all time and as well as still arguably the Greatest Mixed Martial Artist of all time (fans can still argue it's Jon Jones since he moved up to HW and won the title there after having the greatest UFC title reign of all time in the LHW division) but what would it take for a fighter to surpass him? (people can still argue it's Stipe Miocic since he's the most accomplished HW in UFC history)

Like, for an example, to surpass Anderson Silva, The MW fighter has to at least tie his record for most MW title wins of 11 wins if not surpass that record, or to surpass GSP, The WW fighter has to at least tie his record for most WW title wins of 13 wins if not to surpass that record, same with Jon, DJ, Aldo, Khabib, Cruz, but for Fedor, what would it take since he hasn't fought in the UFC but for Pride?

He has 2nd most title fight wins in Pride FC history of 4 title fight wins and with 1 NC (due to the accidental headbutt between him and Big Nog), the UFC back then was like today's Bellator and Pride itself was like today's UFC or maybe just only with HWs or as well as an overall promotion, but now let's turn the tables, the UFC is the best MMA promotion, and whoever has 2nd most title fight wins in UFC history (we know it's GSP) has 13 title fight wins, so maybe that would it take for a HW fighter to surpass Fedor as the HW GOAT? that HW fighter should have 13 title fight wins in the UFC HW division? well yeah, it's ofc very hard to accomplish but who knows? also another thing Fedor did was that he had the longest winning streak in Zuffa HW history, 1 win in SF and was on a 15 win streak in Pride FC, maybe there will be a HW fighter that can may do it in the future.

But based on my logic about Pride FC title fight wins, so is Wanderlei Silva the best MMA fighter ever then since he has most title fight wins in Pride history of 5 wins which would be equal to Jon's 15 title fight wins in the UFC then? No, Wandy is one of the best MWs/LHWs in MMA but he lost to Rich Franklin x2 and was revealed who was the better fighter between both, both guys fought each other and weren't in their primes in competitive fights, and Franklin was the winner in both fights.

And now, let's get into Stipe and Fedor, sometimes, I think that Stipe could be better than Fedor cause people who still say Fedor is the HW GOAT over Stipe is like saying Barao is the BW GOAT over Cruz due to his long winning streak, or maybe HW Shouldn't be compared to BW? also another thing is that Fedor hasn't fought in the UFC, like after when the UFC bought Pride along with WEC and later SF, why Fedor didn't fight there? his run in rings and Pride FC was amazing but after Pride ended in 2007 and had his last fight on final day of 2006, he fought cans and names weren't good instead of signing with the UFC, Lindalnd, Hong-Man, Sylvia & Arlovski who both reigned in the worst era of the UFC HW division and Rogers, and after the 3 Ls in SF, he kept fighting nobodies and still didn't sing with the UFC, took 3 years off since 2012 and fought again in 2015, had his ups and downs until his retirement.

But for Stipe, he has an amazing resume, and when counting title fights, Fedor has been in 5 title fights, and won 4 of them, Stipe won 6 and had most consecutive title defenses in MMA HW history of 3 tied with Fedor and Bader (in Bellator but Bader doesn't have title wins in Zuffa history lol, so whatever, he doesn't count), it can be looked here in Heavyweight (MMA) in Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavyweight_(MMA)
And as well as Stipe (tied with Randy) has most title fight wins in Heavyweight MMA history but due to quality, Stipe is better than Randy, Stipe and Randy's eras were different, the HWs in Randy's era was shallow while in Stipe's, it was better ofc.

So who's the HW GOAT and what are your thoughts on the HW picture in MMA? and what would it take so surpass Fedor as the MMA HW GOAT? discuss Sherbros.

 

[Willek]

Fedor fans are something else.

 

[kenetics]

This thread been done a thousand times. Prime Fedor always is the answer at the end.

 

[Brolypr]

Only rabid pride fans still cling to the fedor is the best ever idea. There are several HW that surpassed Fedor already. But there is absolutely no way in hell you can put Fedor in front of Jon Jones as GOAT after what jon jones pulled off.

 

[Sick85]

Fedor is the best heavyweight of all time and like @kenetics said this thread has been done more times than most threads have been made