All Time GOAT poll

I think it’s definitely close. I think you can split hairs trying to argue whether the best resume belongs to Jones, Fedor, or GSP. 2 of those fighters have never popped for PEDs/banned substances, and the other has popped multiple times. So for me, Jones is #3 and that’s where he’ll stay.
Well GSP was pre-USADA and they didn’t drug test in Pride. Not saying either of those guys were on the juice, but easily could have been. Jones has more top 10 wins than Fedor or GSP, that’s just the reality. Debate it all you want but it’s not a close comparison.
 
Well GSP was pre-USADA and they didn’t drug test in Pride. Not saying either of those guys were on the juice, but easily could have been. Jones has more top 10 wins than Fedor or GSP, that’s just the reality. Debate it all you want but it’s not a close comparison.
Yeah, it’s def possible. I guess we all have our own way and criteria for considering that. For me, if a fighter claims to be clean I give them the benefit of the doubt until I see a failed test. But I know other people don’t view it that way necessarily.
 
Honestly, it all depends how you view drug test failures.

If you think they matter, or if you think the GOAT debate is silly in the first place, he can't be the GOAT.

If you don't care about them, he's almost certainly already the GOAT.
 
No. For one he's a roider, and two stipe is already past it and an opponent he knows he can beat. He wanted nothing to do with Ngannou and Pavlovich.

GSP is the GOAT BTW
 
Exactly.

Only the Jones haters that are so desperate for him to lose are the only ones crying about him fighting Pavlovich.
I’m for sure interested in the Stipe fight, but I think if Jones is going to move to HW—and is holding the belt, no less—he should fight the actual #1 contender, and not cherry-pick matchups. No champ should be cherry picking matchups.
 
GSP has more top 10 wins and consecutive title defenses and he dominated a more stacked division.

I'm not sure what you are talking about.

GSP does not have more top 10 wins than Jones.

Jones holds the UFC record for the most title defenses.

And the WW division was definitely not more stacked than the LHW division Jones ran through.
 
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I'm not sure what you are talking about.

GSP does not have more top 10 wins than Jones.

Jones holds the UFC record for most title defenses.

And the WW division was definitely not more stacked than the LHW division Jones ran through.
I think GSP does actually have more ranked wins. GSP has like 15 or 16, which is more than Jones or Fedor. I’m going by memory though.
 
I think GSP does actually have more ranked wins. GSP has like 15 or 16, which is more than Jones or Fedor. I’m going by memory though.
I doubt GSP does but it double check that.

One thing for sure is he definitely does not have more title defenses.

Jones holds that record.
 
Lmao GOAT hw? Out your rabbit ass mind
name me a fighter who has better resume than jon jones
il wait
edit i misread
hes the GOAT
the greatest greater than stipe silva or gsp
 
I doubt GSP does but it double check that.

One thing for sure is he definitely does not have more title defenses.

Jones holds that record.
Agree on title defenses, Jones has more than GSP.

@acannxr has threads on the ranked wins. It uses FightMatrix which I’ll admit I’m not the biggest fan of sometimes. But per his threads
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...t-top-10-ranked-wins-at-welterweight.4148313/

-GSP would have 17 (the thread has him at 16 for WW, I am adding Bisping)
-Jones would have 12 (11 at LHW plus I added Gane)
-Fedor has 12 as well (this I know to be true)
 
Well we know Silva failed PED tests twice.

I see you say this shit about GSP and Fedor all the time, and honestly it should be carded. You suspect they used because “reasons.” There is no evidence for either of them using PEDs.
lol by your logic jones only cheated once because u cant prove he used steroids in his other fights?
even if u erase that 1 dq against dc fedors resume would still look like trash
 
Agree on title defenses, Jones has more than GSP.

@acannxr has threads on the ranked wins. It uses FightMatrix which I’ll admit I’m not the biggest fan of sometimes. But per his threads
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...t-top-10-ranked-wins-at-welterweight.4148313/

-GSP would have 17 (the thread has him at 16 for WW, I am adding Bisping)
-Jones would have 12 (11 at LHW plus I added Gane)
-Fedor has 12 as well (this I know to be true)
His analysis seems off.

Was Chael and St. Pruex not top ten when they fought Jones for the title?

Wasn't Brandon Vera or Bonnar Jones first couple of top 10 wins?

Also Jones beat Gus twice.
 
He can never be the GOAT imo. But if you’re the type of person that doesn’t care about his multiple PED failures, he’s probably already your GOAT and that’s fine.

This. Certain types desperately want people to just forget about his MULTIPLE PED test failures but I and many others won’t. jones is a sleaze bag and imo LOST to Reyes and Gus in fight 1.

Also imo GOATS don’t need to have a huge height and reach advantage all through their careers combined with lowlife eye poke tactics and knee stomps.

Was he an EFFECTIVE fighter?? Sure! Should the word ‘Great’ be used with jones?? FUCK NO
 
I don’t know if he did or didn’t. What I do know is that he never failed a test, and that’s what I use as a basis—not assumptions that I pull out of my ass.

He had turinabol and turinabol “pulses” multiple times, and he had other banned PCT drugs (Clomid and Letrozole) another time. He’s got multiple failures for banned substances.
gun to the head you believe he is a steroid abuser or not?
let me know your opinion your honest opinion
an opinion coming from a full grown man with a full grown brain
 
His analysis seems off.

Was Chael and St. Pruex not top ten when they fought Jones for the title?

Wasn't Brandon Vera or Bonnar Jones first couple of top 10 wins?

Also Jones beat Gus twice.
Chael wouldn’t have been ranked at LHW. He had been fighting MW and he just jumped up to LHW for that title shot. (If we count him because he was a ranked MW, that changes Fedor’s totals too because we’d need to include Babalu and Lindland.)

I checked the others you mentioned.
—Bonnar was not ranked.
https://bloodyelbow.com/2009/01/09/bloody-elbow-january-mma-m-5/
—Vera was not ranked.
https://www.mmamania.com/platform/amp/2010/3/25/1390355/ufc-rankings-mma-rankings-featured
—OSP was ranked, that should be counted.
https://www.mma-stats.com/rankings/2016-04-18
—2nd fight with Gus should be counted too.
https://www.mma-stats.com/rankings/2018-12-04

So I think 14 total for Jones?
 
I think in the context it's about someone getting a clear advantage by using prohibited stuff to enhance their performance. Fedor never did this. He actually never did eyepokes and stuff aswell.

Lets play all did PEDs in Pride then its even playfield. If you multipully getting busted for PED's in an organization you could suspect that one had unfair advantage over their opponents.

Jon Jones never fought the best competition who are in HW-league. Fedor dominated that league for 10 years.

It is not that hard to argue Fedor had a better resume than Jon Jones since he at least fought the best possible competition during his reign. Jon Jones just recently went up to HW.

That’s what many of these idiots don’t get!!!

“Derrp Fedor fought in PRIDE!! They didn’t test over there!! Herrp!!”

No shit!! That means guys Fedor FOUGHT most likely juiced up!! Level playing field!! But it STILL doesn’t register with these turds:rolleyes:

Also How many times did Fedor destroy guys in his prime that had height and reach advantages on his?!! Along with weight advantages! Can’t say the same about Captain Turinabol jones.

Reyes and prime Gus pretty much matched him in size. Look what happened.
 
He already is the greatest fighter of all times. It would just seal the deal for any doubters out there.

Does that W make him the GREATEST UFC HEAVYWEIGHT of all times? NO.
 
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