All Time GOAT poll

Yes, you are sad and pathetic :D

Khabib did some GNP in the later rounds but round 1 he did nothing but lie on top of Conor like a boring coward after tripping him with the leg hug. Pathetic pussy way of fighting.

No sir, not later rounds. Round 2 is where he beat Conman's ass down. It sounds to me like you have a problem with the grappling aspect. If so, why are you even a fan? Grappling has been one of the dominant aspects of NHB/MMA from the very beginning. Khabib is a grappler first and foremost. And he's one of the best at it. He uses his greatest strength to beat his opponents. That's pathetic to you? What's pathetic is Conman not improving his grappling. Nate controlled him, Khabib controlled him, Dustin controlled him. My guess is you saw one of Conman's promos some time ago and said "that looks cool, think i'll check him out". You're not a fan of mma. You're a Conman nuthugger. It's people like that have muddied the waters. Stick with WWE if all ur interested in is showmanship. Conor will prollly end up there before all is said and done anyways so you might as well switch over now and wait on him.
 
Been watching UFC and MMA since early 00s when you were a twinkle in your daddy’s eye

I like skilled grappling. What Khabib did in that fight wasn’t that. You seriously saying you enjoy when he goes for those leg trips, hugs the leg then lies on top of them tiring them out? Boring af.

Listen chuckles. In one way shape or for I've been involved with nhb mma since 1997. Been watching live and underground taped events since Frank Shamrock was champion. Dont even attempt to pull that seniority nonsense with me. Look at my join date and urs. Only a newbie knucklehead would have conman mctapper as their profile pic. I can't help it if I'm right and ur wrong. Just the way it is. Ur lord and savior got dominated. His grappling is weak and pathetic. His excuses are even worse. And yours are a step below that.
 
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Another make believe thread.

The MMA GOAT can only be a HW champ.

This is not boxing. Boxing takes more skill so it makes sense to compare skills between weight classes.

This is fighting fighting.

The GOAT is 100% Fedor. And after Fedor it's not GSP or Anderson, it's someone like Big Nog, or Werdum or Cain.

GSP is the WW GOAT without a question. MM is the flyweight GOAT, Aldo is the FW GOAT, LW, MW and LHW are up for grabs, although DC is probably the LHW GOAT, and a strong contender at HW too.

Anderson and Jones just the GOAT cheaters, and that's not a cute nickname, they are the actual GOAT cheaters. Anderson is only second to Jones, and Jones is second to none.
Grow up
 
Well I’m shocked that Anderoid Silva and jon pico Jones have so many votes, considering they were busted multiple times using performance enhancing drugs. SmDh
 
i'd say it's Fedor and Gsp for the tie. GSP fought too careful and alot of his fights are boring. Fedor fights too reckless and he could've won alot of his fights, if he had fought smarter. I want to ssy JJ is the goat but 4 accusations of steroids use omits him as being a goat. not on the poll, but HELIO GRACIE SHOULD BE GOAT. without his genius in developing bjj where technique beats strength, there wouldn't be mma. it'd be like a tough man contest with fighters swinging like Harold Howard hoping to land a lucky punch.
 
I never liked GSP but the way he wanted to fight Khabib really clinches it.

Fedor's later career is just so bad I can't get with him being the GOAT anymore. You can't even put him ahead of Jones at this point unless Jones completely collapses later in his career.

Roy Jones Jr is not the greatest boxer ever because of his later career. He could have made that claim if he retired at a specific time but he did not.
 
In all reality, on that list it’s definitely GSP. But my heart will always say Fedor, lol.
 
Semi long read but let me know if you agree

1. Jon Jones
Case For: His resume is pretty much unmatched (maybe GSP is close). He dominated what at the time was the UFC's glamor division. Rampage, Shogun, Machida, Rashad, Bader, Vitor, Chael etc. Then beat the next era of guys mostly cleanly (close fight with Gus in the first) . Pretty much only guy he did not beat that he could have fought was Rumble. Then beat ANOTHER era of guys in Smith, Santos and Reyes albeit perhaps should have lost the Reyes fight.
Resume unmatched. In his prime, pretty much as dominant as it gets.

Case Against: Steroids. Pretty much it. And since he is so high profile he might have access to high level roids no one else does.

Why the case against doesn't matter: I don't want to poo poo the sport. But it's pretty naive to think most of these guy at the top level aren't on something. But I guess who knows. Jon certainty has been dumb enough to keep getting caught. But it's more than likely with everyone is on something and so it's a pretty even playing field.

2. GSP
Case for: Probably the second greatest resume of all time. Dominated three generations of welterweights. Beat some of the greatest fighters ever, and had a stranglehold on his division for many years. Did pick up the MW title later in his career vs an also shopworn Bisping. Take that for however you want. In addition, most of his fights even against top guys were not particularly close.

Case against. Loss to Matt Serra

Why the case against doesn't matter: It's obviously a silly loss, but I would tend to agree with the notion that GSP's prime did not occur until probably...2009ish? I mean at the time of the loss to Serra he had 14 fights. Anderson had multiple losses 14 fights in and would have another to Chonan soon after, Khabib had been fighting cans etc. And with the brutal rematch that took place, not sure it should matter as much

3. Anderson
Case for: Probably the most spectacular fighter ever. Probably MMA's version of Roy Jones although I suppose to a lesser degree. Had a stranglehold on the middleweight division for a long time dominating excellent fighters like Vitor, Nate, Rich, Maia. And beating top notch guys like Chael, Okami and Forest. Pound for pound probably the greatest watch ever in MMA

Case against: Steroid issues, resume issues, silly losses pre and post prime.

Why the case against doesn't matter: It can be argued that he only took steroids post the leg break. Not sure I agree with it but he didn't pop beforehand so could be true. The resume issues are tough to overcome in this sort of debate because he obviously doesn't have the resume of Jones or GSP. BUT can be argued he won in a more spectacular fashion than either. And losses pre and post prime are rather unimportant imo. Now when did his prime actually end? That's more of a question (was it before the first weidman fight>)

4. Fedor
Case for: The Greatest Heavyweight ever. Dominated in a promotion that featured the best heavyweights in the world at the time. Beat one of the 5 best heavyweights ever (Nog) multiple times, and beat top 15ish (maybe top 10) guys in Crop Cop, Sylvia, Arlovski etc and fringe guys like Coleman, Herring etc. Usually in quick blowouts. Well versed on the feet and on the ground.

Case against: Post Pride suffered multiple bad losses. Possible resume issues. Never appeared in the UFC

Why the case against doesn't matter: Well at the time that he was in PRIDE he pretty clearly was the best Heavyweight in the world. And it can be argued that around 2007ish his prime was coming to an end. So by the time he came to America in Strikeforce he was past his peak. Maybe doesn't explain the Werdum loss but could explain the ones post that. Some resume issues when stacked up with these other guys but basically beat everyone in Prides. And never appearing in the UFC is no big deal if your resume is good enough (maybe his is. Up for debate).

5. Khabib

Case for: The most dominant Lightweight ever. Destroyed a number of really good fighters. An excellent title run once he got the belt beating Conor, Dustin and Justin in total blowouts. A few other quality wins in Dos Anjos, Barboza and Healy. And some decent guys like Tibau and Trujillo. Only close fight was against Tibau and once he really got going didn't lose too many rounds in his career.

Case against: It's basically impossible to argue Khabib along these other guys from a resume standpoint. Probably also missed out on a few guys he could have fought but did not (Cerrone, Ferguson, Pettis, Bendo, etc)

Why the case against doesn't matter: He was so dominant when he fought it's easy to say he probably beats the guys he did not get to fight. He was that dominant. So resume shouldn't matter as much here.
 
In my opinion it’s GSP or Fedor. Khabeiber could’ve solidified himself if he defended the title a few more times.
 
Semi long read but let me know if you agree

1. Jon Jones
Case For: His resume is pretty much unmatched (maybe GSP is close). He dominated what at the time was the UFC's glamor division. Rampage, Shogun, Machida, Rashad, Bader, Vitor, Chael etc. Then beat the next era of guys mostly cleanly (close fight with Gus in the first) . Pretty much only guy he did not beat that he could have fought was Rumble. Then beat ANOTHER era of guys in Smith, Santos and Reyes albeit perhaps should have lost the Reyes fight.
Resume unmatched. In his prime, pretty much as dominant as it gets.

Case Against: Steroids. Pretty much it. And since he is so high profile he might have access to high level roids no one else does.

Why the case against doesn't matter: I don't want to poo poo the sport. But it's pretty naive to think most of these guy at the top level aren't on something. But I guess who knows. Jon certainty has been dumb enough to keep getting caught. But it's more than likely with everyone is on something and so it's a pretty even playing field.

2. GSP
Case for: Probably the second greatest resume of all time. Dominated three generations of welterweights. Beat some of the greatest fighters ever, and had a stranglehold on his division for many years. Did pick up the MW title later in his career vs an also shopworn Bisping. Take that for however you want. In addition, most of his fights even against top guys were not particularly close.

Case against. Loss to Matt Serra

Why the case against doesn't matter: It's obviously a silly loss, but I would tend to agree with the notion that GSP's prime did not occur until probably...2009ish? I mean at the time of the loss to Serra he had 14 fights. Anderson had multiple losses 14 fights in and would have another to Chonan soon after, Khabib had been fighting cans etc. And with the brutal rematch that took place, not sure it should matter as much

3. Anderson
Case for: Probably the most spectacular fighter ever. Probably MMA's version of Roy Jones although I suppose to a lesser degree. Had a stranglehold on the middleweight division for a long time dominating excellent fighters like Vitor, Nate, Rich, Maia. And beating top notch guys like Chael, Okami and Forest. Pound for pound probably the greatest watch ever in MMA

Case against: Steroid issues, resume issues, silly losses pre and post prime.

Why the case against doesn't matter: It can be argued that he only took steroids post the leg break. Not sure I agree with it but he didn't pop beforehand so could be true. The resume issues are tough to overcome in this sort of debate because he obviously doesn't have the resume of Jones or GSP. BUT can be argued he won in a more spectacular fashion than either. And losses pre and post prime are rather unimportant imo. Now when did his prime actually end? That's more of a question (was it before the first weidman fight>)

4. Fedor
Case for: The Greatest Heavyweight ever. Dominated in a promotion that featured the best heavyweights in the world at the time. Beat one of the 5 best heavyweights ever (Nog) multiple times, and beat top 15ish (maybe top 10) guys in Crop Cop, Sylvia, Arlovski etc and fringe guys like Coleman, Herring etc. Usually in quick blowouts. Well versed on the feet and on the ground.

Case against: Post Pride suffered multiple bad losses. Possible resume issues. Never appeared in the UFC

Why the case against doesn't matter: Well at the time that he was in PRIDE he pretty clearly was the best Heavyweight in the world. And it can be argued that around 2007ish his prime was coming to an end. So by the time he came to America in Strikeforce he was past his peak. Maybe doesn't explain the Werdum loss but could explain the ones post that. Some resume issues when stacked up with these other guys but basically beat everyone in Prides. And never appearing in the UFC is no big deal if your resume is good enough (maybe his is. Up for debate).

5. Khabib

Case for: The most dominant Lightweight ever. Destroyed a number of really good fighters. An excellent title run once he got the belt beating Conor, Dustin and Justin in total blowouts. A few other quality wins in Dos Anjos, Barboza and Healy. And some decent guys like Tibau and Trujillo. Only close fight was against Tibau and once he really got going didn't lose too many rounds in his career.

Case against: It's basically impossible to argue Khabib along these other guys from a resume standpoint. Probably also missed out on a few guys he could have fought but did not (Cerrone, Ferguson, Pettis, Bendo, etc)

Why the case against doesn't matter: He was so dominant when he fought it's easy to say he probably beats the guys he did not get to fight. He was that dominant. So resume shouldn't matter as much here.
I'd say that about sums it up. DC, Aldo, Usman and Adesanya probably deserve entries as well tho.
 
GOAT threads are now stale as fuck and there's a stickied one up top. #1 generic sherdog topic in history.
 
This is a popular opinion, but not actually true.

Aldo has faced and beaten much better fighters.
Frankie and Mendes for example, are significantly better fighters than anyone Jon Jones has ever faced.
what the hell?
 
If you'd specify what you don't agree with, i could respond better.
i mean, i'm just looking at jone's record on wikipedia is all. you can't find anyone on that list comparable to chad mendes and frankie edgar?
 
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