All Time GOAT poll

[Juice]

You’re way out in left field. Last I checked we were on sherdog in the GOAT poll thread. I stated Jon was in third place (which he is) and that’s when all hell broke loose.
But despite that, if you feel he’s the GOAT that’s fine. I personally can’t see a guy who repeatedly takes PEDs to seek an unfair advantage as the GOAT.

Again, Jones has more haters on sherdog than any fighter in history, anyone with a brain knows that, and knows thats a reason why alot of the haters are not voting for him.

Save the PED excuse, you know since skill and talent don't come in pill form.

Also Fedor fought in a organization that never tested for PED's, Pride fighters where roided to the gills. So how do you know Fedor never took PED's?

GSP left right before the USDA era. I wonder why?

 

[Intellidamus]

Again, Jones has more haters on sherdog than any fighter in history, anyone with a brain knows that, and knows thats a reason why alot of the haters are not voting for him.

Save the PED excuse, you know since skill and talent don't come in pill form.

Also Fedor fought in a organization that never tested for PED's, Pride fighters where roided to the gills. So how do you know Fedor never took PED's?

GSP left right before the USDA era. I wonder why?

If PEDs didn’t make a difference why would fighters risk so much taking them?
GSP left 19 months before USADA, so nice try on “right before”. Speaking of brains, everyone with one should be aware he’s made it very clear he’s not a full time fighter anymore and only interested in special fights.

 

[Juice]

If PEDs didn’t make a difference why would fighters risk so much taking them?
GSP left 19 months before USADA, so nice try on “right before”. Speaking of brains, everyone with one should be aware he’s made it very clear he’s not a full time fighter anymore and only interested in special fights.

So please explain why come all the fighters that have taken PED's have not had the same success as Jones? Its pretty obvious you can't stand the fact Jones is just that good.

And GSP leaving 19 months before USADA is leaving before the USADA. So any other excuse? Then GSP comes back and cherry pick the weakest MW of all time fucking Michael Bisping, FUCKING LOL.

When you get done twisting and turning your excuses about PED's, Jones has dominated because of skill and talent, not PED"s.

 

[Intellidamus]

So please explain why come all the fighters that have taken PED's have not had the same success as Jones? Its pretty obvious you can't stand the fact Jones is just that good.

And GSP leaving 19 months before USADA is leaving before the USADA. So any other excuse? Then GSP comes back and cherry pick the weakest MW of all time fucking Michael Bisping, FUCKING LOL.

When you get done twisting and turning your excuses about PED's, Jones has dominated because of skill and talent, not PED"s.

Saying all fighters that take PEDs should have the same results is like saying all fighters have the same skill level, work ethic and physical abilities. At the highest level the slightest advantage (PEDs being an example) could be the difference between winning and losing.
No one is twisting things other than you.

 

[Intellidamus]

Jones has dominated because of skill and talent, not PED"s.

Why did he take them if they provided no advantage? Just a needle fetish or something?

 

[Sirwastealot]

Save the PED excuse

Lol wtf kind of argument is that? He pops for drugs twice and best you can do is "nah forget about that".

Nice try, people hate jones BECAUSE he's a druggie cheater who's been caught repeatedly. You don't get to put that aside for convenience.

 

[Intellidamus]

Both gsp and jones are automatically disqualified based on doping imo..that would seemingly leave fedor as the sole goat

However this is also biased as the only fair poll would be the one if everyone competed in the same weight class

Fedors division had some big yet one dimensional names..great stand up and great ground fighters but noone truly well rounded..so he was able to greatly exploit this

The lhw division was the most competitive and well rounded in its heyday..and the top guys had a fair number of wins and losses which creates the illusion that it didnt have a goat (ex juicy jones)

Yet you could take any of those top 10 lhw guys (liddell, couture etc) in their prime to take out fedor at equal weight..hence his loss to 6yr older henderson who fluctuated between welter an lhw naturally (and arguably bader too who is naturally more of a lhw)

Realistically we dont have a real goat yet as unlike boxing the "all time" is just two gens of fighters..on a long term timeline we are still in the sports infancy being less than 30yrs old..hell some guys who fought in the 90s still compete

GSP has never failed a PEDs test you goof.

 

[Joe_Armstrong]

Both gsp and jones are automatically disqualified based on doping imo..

Could you clarify about GSP ?
Because as far as I know he never failed a test.

 

[Parmenides]

GSP has never failed a PEDs test you goof.

Could you clarify about GSP ?
Because as far as I know he never failed a test.

Doesnt mean a thing as tests can be cheated..if you lift you know what a roided physique looks like

Even if clean the global lhw division was 5x more stacked with talent and skills..AND ex penn he has lost to all of the top fighters in ww class who were not rounded grappling specialists

 

[Joe_Armstrong]

Doesnt mean a thing as tests can be cheated..if you lift you know what a roided physique looks like

Even if clean the global lhw division was 5x more stacked with talent and skills..AND ex penn he has lost to all of the top fighters in ww class who were not rounded grappling specialists

Maybe he is a PED cheat like Anderson and Jones in your world.
He never failed a test, that's good enough for me.

 

[Intellidamus]

Doesnt mean a thing as tests can be cheated..if you lift you know what a roided physique looks like

Even if clean the global lhw division was 5x more stacked with talent and skills..AND ex penn he has lost to all of the top fighters in ww class who were not rounded grappling specialists

“If you lift” in other words if you aren’t getting the results you want but someone else is then they must be on something.
But yes, I’ve lifted off and on since I was 15. But I’m also reasonable enough to know others may work harder, eat better and have better genetics than me. Besides GSP’s physique doesn’t throw up the red flags of some of the more obvious candidates. Although I’m sure one pic of him here or there or of him breathing might be enough for you.

 

[Parmenides]

“If you lift” in other words if you aren’t getting the results you want but someone else is then they must be on something.
But yes, I’ve lifted off and on since I was 15. But I’m also reasonable enough to know others may work harder, eat better and have better genetics than me. Besides GSP’s physique doesn’t throw up the red flags of some of the more obvious candidates. Although I’m sure one pic of him here or there or of him breathing might be enough for you.

Come on man..his bloated gut is bigger than his chest while the rest jacked and shredded with the disproportionately small head..he screams roids

 

[Parmenides]

Maybe he is a PED cheat like Anderson and Jones in your world.
He never failed a test, that's good enough for me.

We will have to agree to disagree

To be fair at least half of the then top 10 lhw were roided up too (belfort, silva, tito, rampage etc)

 

[Intellidamus]

Come on man..his bloated gut is bigger than his chest while the rest jacked and shredded with the disproportionately small head..he screams roids

The problem with that sweet little theory is it’s only in certain pics. He literally has it and it’s gone, in the same damn fight. Within seconds. HGH gut doesn’t come and
go. I’m guessing it’s a little know phenomenon known as breathing. Diaphragmatic breathing- look it up.
Small head? HGH increases head size not shrink it.

 

[Parmenides]

The problem with that sweet little theory is it’s only in certain pics. He literally has it and it’s gone, in the same damn fight. Within seconds. HGH gut doesn’t come and
go. I’m guessing it’s a little know phenomenon known as breathing. Diaphragmatic breathing- look it up.
Small head? HGH increases head size not shrink it.

 

[Intellidamus]

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Gifs don’t settle debates. Although I do like that one, despite its overuse.

 

[Parmenides]

Gifs don’t settle debates. Although I do like that one, despite its overuse.

That diaphragmatic thing legit made me laugh

 

[Intellidamus]

That diaphragmatic thing legit made me laugh

Because you didn’t know what it was? You do realize it’s beneficial for athletes.
What’s more laughable is sherdog HGH gut experts somehow think it comes and goes within seconds. The yet to be classified Peekaboo HGH gut.

 

[Parmenides]

Because you didn’t know what it was? You do realize it’s beneficial for athletes.
What’s more laughable is sherdog HGH gut experts somehow think it comes and goes within seconds. The yet to be classified Peekaboo HGH gut.

 

[Intellidamus]

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Lol, can’t respond? I’ll give you time to research it.