All Time GOAT poll

[chinarice]

The weight classes might be sequential, but your order sure isn't.

GSP would starch Khabib all day, every day. You can't even compare GSP and Khabib's resume.

If you took away like 10 of GSP's wins, they'd maybe have a comparable resume lol

 

[RockyLockridge]

If you took away like 10 of GSP's wins, they'd maybe have a comparable resume lol

GSP has more ranked wins than Khabib has fights in the UFC.

GSP has more title fights than khabib has fights in the UFC.

 

[Here's Johnny!]

I think if they both weighed 170 that GSP is probably the only fighter that could have neutralized Khabib standup. GSP's wrestling was just too strong.

29-0 is hard to top, especially with what 12-13 wins in a row in UFC. Not to mention Khabib was getting better like every single fight before he retired strong with three straight submissions....

Khabib has 6 top ten wins and only 3 top 5 wins... GSP has like 17 top 10 wins and 13 top 5 wins... the competition isn't even close to comparable. This isn't some debate like Lebron James vs Michael Jordan... you are trying to compare Michael Jordan to Kyrie Irving... Kyrie is really good.. but he won 1 title...

 

[Ozze]

TS bored at work today thinking "how can I stir shit up on Sherdog today?"

 

[nonoob]

There are two options: you think Jones is the GOAT or you think he's a drug cheat and shouldn't be considered. This one has been done to death.

So, a proven, and admitted, cheat can't be a goat, even if Dana approves ?

 

[cshireman4]

It is proven that Jones used PEDs. There is no proof that GSP ever used PEDs.

Those two sentences are facts. Simple.

Only noting that you aren't able to apply the same metrics to everyone in the GOAT discussion. GSP left the fight game shortly after USADA entered. Likely just a coincidence, but we have to speculate that he either ran from testing or he didn't run from testing because there's no way to know for sure. That's why I don't like the PED argument.

Of course it makes you ineligible. See lance armstrong and Barry bonds for an example

Lance is still the GOAT and Barry Bonds never was. Again, the era in which you played the game shouldn't be as big of a factor as people make it out to be. If Fedor and GSP and Anderson and anyone else up for discussion had been tested for the entirety of their careers, by all means. Not saying you have to share my opinion, but that is the opinion of most who argue Jon is still the GOAT. It is a pointless accolade that fans debate into the ground anyhow. To each their own.

Umm, incorrect assumption, they both are proven scumbags.

He denies it, yet video after video shows that POS cheating in the cage.

Yeah, he big mad.
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You cut out my other arguments. I was saying one of the three: they hate Jones for reasons unrelated to fighting, they like another GOAT prospect, or they just have a hard-on for DC. That seems to fit most of the Jon is GOAT deniers, although I'm sure exceptions do exist.

 

[Royce's Gi]

Everybody knows he cheated.


Can someone who cheated that much be the GOAT?

 

[method115]

It's a professional sport, very competitive and you being able to have a good career and provide for your family depends on whether you can keep winning. I think it's crazy to assume most guys aren't on something, I assume most top fighters are. If you go into a sport full of roidheads, it's pretty arrogant to think you can be champ without taking anything right? People will look for any little advantage they can get.

Most fighters have visibly cheated in one way or another right? Whether it be eye pokes, grabbing the fence, grabbing a glove, grabbing the shorts etc.. DC grabbing the towel to make weight and eye poking Stipe. Kelvin gastelum leaning on his coach to make weight. GSP getting greased up etc..

I think the number of people on gear in pro sports in general is extremely underestimated by a lot of people. There have been times in certain Olympic events where every top athlete tested positive yet now records are still being broken... Natural athletes are beating records set by PED users?? Not likely. USADA makes it harder for guys to be juiced to the gills but fighters can still get away with it they just have to be more careful. It took a bit of adjusting for some fighters.

Also USADA has done shady shit themselves like asking fighters to snitch in order to avoid a longer suspension, giving Mayweather a banned iv etc..

This 100%. It's why most pro fighters still give Jones the nod because they know what's up.

 

[Yep]

Only noting that you aren't able to apply the same metrics to everyone in the GOAT discussion. GSP left the fight game shortly after USADA entered. Likely just a coincidence, but we have to speculate that he either ran from testing or he didn't run from testing because there's no way to know for sure. That's why I don't like the PED argument.

Lance is still the GOAT and Barry Bonds never was. Again, the era in which you played the game shouldn't be as big of a factor as people make it out to be. If Fedor and GSP and Anderson and anyone else up for discussion had been tested for the entirety of their careers, by all means. Not saying you have to share my opinion, but that is the opinion of most who argue Jon is still the GOAT. It is a pointless accolade that fans debate into the ground anyhow. To each their own.

You really gonna suggest that bonds isn’t the greatest power hitter of all time? Assuming you don’t care about steroid usage. That’s crazy talk.

 

[nonoob]

You cut out my other arguments. I was saying one of the three: they hate Jones, like another GOAT prospect, or just have a hard-on for DC. That seems to fit most of the Jon is GOAT deniers, although I'm sure exceptions do exist.

No cut-off meant, neither the protected LW Jones nor DC has a legit goat claim.

This 100%. It's why most pro fighters still give Jones the nod because they know what's up.

MMA fighting championships - must be won following rules that Jones ignored.

This 100%. It's why most pro fighters still give Jones the nod because they know what's up.

Eyepokes Matter.​

 

[roganisonly5foot3]

I mean if you take jones out of the picture number 2 on the list is Anderson and he has failed tests also.

 

[cshireman4]

You really gonna suggest that bonds isn’t the greatest power hitter of all time? Assuming you don’t care about steroid usage. That’s crazy talk.

Now you've changed the framing. This is a greatest of all time discussion. You threw out Lance Armstrong and Barry Bonds, implying that they are would-be GOATs in their respective sports if it wasn't for PED use. Now you have narrowed it to greatest power hitter of all time. That's a different argument and makes your initial comparison unequivocal. Similar to comparing pre-testing fighters' careers to those who were tested regularly. Pointless argument though, as these always are. Eliminate Jones from the GOAT discussion. Crown your GOAT and let's all just move on haha

 

[Cartiac]

Honest question to Jones fans. I am done arguing with you guys and if in the face of all the evidence , if you still support your boy so be it .

But if sherdog is to represent a microcosm of the world wide MMA community, I believe it is safe to say that half of this community does not believe Jones to be goat due to PED usage.

Don't you all thing that you would at least need a majority of people to believe a fighter is goat before designating this label to him/her?

Doesn't it bother you at all that Jones does not have that support of the MMA community?

Please present any bit of evidence you can that makes you think Jon Jones has been proven to use PEDs and then I will show you what an idiot you are.

 

[TheBulge]

Sherdog doesn't represent even 0.1 % of the MMA community. This is more of a niche collection of weirdo cliques with odd views.

Don't believe? Just look at the real world. How almost every time sherdog spouts some extremist view on a fighter or issue, it's actually the opposite when you watch paying consumers' live reactions whether it's in press conferences, fights, etc.

 

[icemun]

Honest question to Jones fans. I am done arguing with you guys and if in the face of all the evidence , if you still support your boy so be it .

But if sherdog is to represent a microcosm of the world wide MMA community, I believe it is safe to say that half of this community does not believe Jones to be goat due to PED usage.

Don't you all thing that you would at least need a majority of people to believe a fighter is goat before designating this label to him/her?

Doesn't it bother you at all that Jones does not have that support of the MMA community?

I think at this point it boils down to intelligence, not even cognitive dissonance.

If guys were openly taking steroids to fight for $700 a night, what do you think theyre doing for potentially millions?

Steroids were encouraged and distributed in Pride. You think your favorite fighter was the only natty one?

Pre-Usada everyone was taking, you think your favorite fighter was beating guys on gear and clean? Even with 4D delts?

8 of Jones opponents have popped, some pre-USADA, does that indicate something?


You literally have to be a naive child to still be clueless as to what is and has been going in MMA from the start (like all pro-sports)\


"My mommy says fighters dont take drugs and eat their broccoli and vitamins."

 

[cshireman4]

No cut-off meant, neither the protected LW Jones nor DC has a legit goat claim.


MMA fighting championships - must be won following rules that Jones ignored.

Eyepokes Matter.​

So your argument against Jon is that he got favorable decisions at LHW? That I can get behind. Likely the only valid argument anyone could make imo and makes you an exception to my rule.

Again, never implied DC is anything close to a GOAT. His bitter fans discredit Jon because he beat DC's ass twice. Fans of other potential GOATs like Fedor, GSP or Anderson discredit Jon due to their own fandom as well, but for different reasons.

 

[Natural Order]

Skill wise he's most certainly in the top 5 best to ever do it. He's nowhere close to the most complete fighter we've seen, though he utilized absurd physical advantages to great effect.

 

[mraa1]

Hard to take the "cheater" label seriously when it's only applied to fighters you don't like. I don't recall people shitting on Silva or Islam so hard for getting popped. For some reason it's only Jones. Probably because he beat your favorite fighter

 

[nonoob]

I mean if you take jones out of the picture number 2 on the list is Anderson and he has failed tests also.

Anderson never cowardly ducked Chael when he was champion.

Please present any bit of evidence you can that makes you think Jon Jones has been proven to use ,PEDs and then I will show you what an idiot you are.

Picos, after pulsing picos, show the ufc and usada were legit.
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[Cartiac]

on the fence about it. i do think him cheating put him at an unfair advantage because nobody he fought ever tested positive when they fought him.

You are literally an embarrassment to the world. Jon fought Vitor Belfort in 2012 and you are telling me Jon had an unfair advantage over Vitor's hard word and dedication? Jon also fought Chael "TRT" Sonnen in 2013 after his fights with Anderson where he said he could tell Anderson was on gear by his strength in the clinch because he was too. Don't post shit when you clearly started watching UFC yesterday.