All Time GOAT poll

[AndersonSilva23]

Still GSP.

Lol no.

 

[orca]

Let's say GSP got his belt as the underdog from the reigning, defending, undisputed, favorite champion, while Jones got a random interim belt as the favorite by beating an underdog, unproven, never-that-good kickboxer coming of a loss to a Ngannou with both knees amputated
JJ=Paper champ confirmed, ran from Ngannou, steroid cheat, and lost to Reyes & Santos (and had a draw with Gus)

... I think we can spin this; plus, for once the majority got it right:

1. GSP
   
   2,131 vote(s)
   34.6%
2. Fedor
   
   1,609 vote(s)
   26.1%
3. Silva
   
   537 vote(s)
   8.7%
4. Jones
   
   1,357 vote(s)
   22.0%

The order of the MMA Rushmore should remain the same.

Fedor and GSP have the advantage of being natty, while Jones and Anderson pissed hot multiple times

lol natty? haha u believe that bs?
even youtubers posting fitness stuff are on peds lmao

 

[Leon Edwards]

Current Jones and Prime HW DC beat pretty much every human to ever live.

They are literally two of the best fighters to ever walk the planet. DC lost to Stipe but he koed him and DC was no longer in his prime.

 

[Richard Fannin]

Looking at it objectively, the only two fights an opponent was close to Jones was Gustafson and Reyes, every other performance Jones was dominant. GSP has 2 losses on his record and the Hendricks fight was one of the biggest robberies in UFC history. GSP then retired after the entire world wanted to see a rematch. Jones is officially cleared of prior USADA suspensions as per new updated USADA guidelines. Also an estimated 5000+ fighters in MMA leagues worldwide combined have tested positive for PED, how come we only have Jones and Silva in the Goat conversation? Ultimately God given ability and skill triumphs.

1) If you're going to hold GSP's fight against Hendricks against him, and claim that the entire world wanted to see a rematch and he should have done it, then it's only logical to hold JJ to the same standard, and judge him for running from immediate rematches against Gus, Reyes & Santos, that the entire world wanted to see.

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He eventually fought Gus again, 5 years later, when he was out of his prime and Jones was juiced out of his mind.

And if "god-given abilities & skill triumph" , then why did Anderson Silva and Jon Jones bother to shoot themselves full of junk in the first place? Just be natty, like god intended.

GSP & Fedor are the leading GOATs of this poll for a reason.

 

[AndersonSilva23]

1) If you're going to hold GSP's fight against Hendricks against him, and claim that the entire world wanted to see a rematch and he should have done it, then it's only logical to hold JJ to the same standard, and judge him for running from immediate rematches against Gus, Reyes & Santos, that the entire world wanted to see.

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He eventually fought Gus again, 5 years later, when he was out of his prime and Jones was juiced out of his mind.

And if "god-given abilities & skill triumph" , then why did Anderson Silva and Jon Jones bother to shoot themselves full of junk in the first place? Just be natty, like god intended.

GSP & Fedor are the leading GOATs of this poll for a reason.

Lol GSP retired, pretty much ran away and hid, Jones cleaned out the division, No losses to avenge, rematched his closest fight and put on a beat down.

Only reason GSP/Fedor are leading in this poll are due to larger fan bases not votes placed on logical facts and analysis. Factors like popularity, likability, race etc. play a role in some voting decisions.

 

[Poatan Power]

No, I’m just saying that the majority out his career he didn’t even have to worry about USADA. Perhaps he would have popped if USADA was around back then.

And he could have easily pulled a Connor for the Bisping fight, and just bulked up with “supplements” before jumping back into the testing pool.

There is no evidence to suggest GSP used PED's, other than saying "maybe." Is that really what you want to bring up as a point of view? lol

Lol GSP retired, pretty much ran away and hid, Jones cleaned out the division, No losses to avenge, rematched his closest fight and put on a beat down.

Only reason GSP/Fedor are leading in this poll are due to larger fan bases not votes placed on logical facts and analysis. Factors like popularity, likability, race etc. play a role in some voting decisions.

GSP retired 25-2 from welterweight. 27 fights in 11 years as a professional. Hendricks couldn't beat GSP juiced to the gills. I don't blame GSP for retiring, he already accomplished everything he needed to. He cleaned out WW multiple times before retiring.

 

[My Spot]

lol at an Anderson nuthugger trying to discredit other fighters. Your boy popped for 'roids in his first ever random drug test and it was pre-USADA. Game over.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

In my opinion, last night Jon Jones cemented his position as the Greatest Of All Time UFC fighter.

There's no question for me.

He surpasses Georges St Pierre and Anderson Silva, the only other names in the frame.

He does so because, unlike GSP, he never dropped a clanger against a Matt Serra-type, even though it's likely that all great fighters will lose at some point or another. While Anderson is still up there in terms of his sheer dominance for such a long period against all comers at 185, he also falls short having never moved up to LHW and claimed the belt there (though he did win multiple fights at 205).

What Jon Jones has done in the UFC is entirely unmatched.

However, that doesn't put him ahead of Fedor.

Fedor's run through the heavyweight division in PRIDE (and elsewhere) prior to his defeat against Werdum at 31-1 is unmatched by anyone - except Jon Jones.

Jones now draws alongside Fedor, and you'd have to toss a coin to decide who is on top. Jones has more time, and is perhaps more likely to exceed Fedor's accomplishments in MMA, but here's the thing:

If Dana had signed Fedor in 2007, when he was still winning fights against both good (Sylvia/Arlovski) and poor (Choi/Rogers) fighters, and put him up against the best the UFC had to offer (including, eventually, Lesnar), there wouldn't be a debate at this point.

The only reason there is a credible debate about the #1 GOAT in the history of MMA (not only the UFC) is because Dana failed to sign Fedor.

 

[RemyR]

Good point, what I've learned from this is Pride > UFC.

 

[Post 2 Decision]

Jones if GOAT if you ignore the PED abusing, sure.

GSP GOAT

 

[Fossor]

 

[Fedora Millionankles]

In my opinion, last night Jon Jones cemented his position as the Greatest Of All Time UFC fighter.

There's no question for me.

He surpasses Georges St Pierre and Anderson Silva, the only other names in the frame.

He does so because, unlike GSP, he never dropped a clanger against a Matt Serra-type, even though it's likely that all great fighters will lose at some point or another. While Anderson is still up there in terms of his sheer dominance for such a long period against all comers at 185, he also falls short having never moved up to LHW and claimed the belt there (though he did win multiple fights at 205).

What Jon Jones has done in the UFC is entirely unmatched.

However, that doesn't put him ahead of Fedor.

Fedor's run through the heavyweight division in PRIDE (and elsewhere) prior to his defeat against Werdum at 31-1 is unmatched by anyone - except Jon Jones.

Jones now draws alongside Fedor, and you'd have to toss a coin to decide who is on top. Jones has more time, and is perhaps more likely to exceed Fedor's accomplishments in MMA, but here's the thing:

If Dana had signed Fedor in 2007, when he was still winning fights against both good (Sylvia/Arlovski) and poor (Choi/Rogers) fighters, and put him up against the best the UFC had to offer (including, eventually, Lesnar), there wouldn't be a debate at this point.

The only reason there is a credible debate about the #1 GOAT in the history of MMA (not only the UFC) is because Dana failed to sign Fedor.

Love Fedor, but Jones is the GOAT.

 

[Halifax]

i dont get how anyone can pick fedor over Jones, GSP, or Anderson.. Yes he had a nice run but once you have the belt in the UFC you are almost always fighting the number 1 guy every single time with no break... i m sorry there are way to many cans in Fedors list of opponents to relate it to the rest.. fedor has his chance to come to the UFC and cement his legacy, he decided to lose to MW's in another Org. IMHO its jones -GSP top 2 silva 3 .

When Fedor was fighting in pride, most of the best fighters were in Pride mate. And all the best heavyweights. That's not even debatable.
the best UFC heavyweights at the time were Arlovsky and Sylvia

LHW was also way better in Pride.

Like, Dana White brought Chuck Liddell in his prime to a pride event, entered him in the tournament and said "This will prove the UFC has the best fighters"

Then he did commentary on Chuck's fights in pride. It was almost comical listening to Dana start the fight commentary all excited to watch prime Chuck Liddell beat faces and then get quieter and more dejected on commentary as he realized Chuck was getting his ass kicked. Then Chuck's corner threw the towel lol

Anderson Silva was 3-2 in pride, came to UFC and instantly won a fight and then a title.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Love Fedor, but Jones is the GOAT.

Imagine if Jones gets to 31-1, then starts losing <Lmaoo>

That would render this an eternal debate <45>

 

[Halifax]

No, I’m just saying that the majority out his career he didn’t even have to worry about USADA. Perhaps he would have popped if USADA was around back then.

And he could have easily pulled a Connor for the Bisping fight, and just bulked up with “supplements” before jumping back into the testing pool.

GSP was pushing hard for USADA style testing to come into the picture bud. Dana and hendricks were avoiding it like the plague. GSP eventually agreed to do multiple testing if hendricks would and hendricks bowed out
It was Hendricks that accused GSP, then GSP said fine let's do 3rd party testing, then offered to foot his bill.

Then Hendricks said " No I don't want to do VADA I want WADA like they do in the olympics, GSP is hiding something because he doesn't want to do Olympic style testing."

Then GSP had to explain to Hendricks that VADA is a accredited WADA organization that only takes the samples and sends them to WADA to test.

Then Hendricks said that VADA has a picture as GSP on the website as one of the athletes they test, that it's too shady. He wants to go with NSAC OOC testing, GSP said "ok let's do it", which basically made hendrick stutter "wwwwwhat? you will do it?".

GSP was unaware of NSAC's OOC testing protocol, and had his lawyer send Keizer questions to inquire about it, while saying no matter what it is GSP has agreed to do it. Ehrhardt then played word games about "GSP wanting times and knowing what they are testing for". GSp's lawyer said they wanted to make sure there were no loopholes and since WADA would not inform him on certain info, that means they will not inform hendricks either and so GSP agreed to do both testing.

Ehrhardt, Hendricks Agent then said GSP wasn't serious about it, and it was at this point when GSP happily agreed to both testing that Hendricks bailed and refused that as well as any other additional testing, even though GSP said he can chose whatever 3rd party testing and GSP will foot the bill.

While GSP still went through 3rd party testing by VADA. He cut right through their word acrobatics by just agreeing to do both tests and Hendricks went silent and bailed at that point. Hendricks was trying to put on a nice face and make it seem like GSP wouldn't do it and GSP's quick agree to do both tests basically cut off their ability to do more spins on it, so they just said "this is all too shady" and went dead silent on the issue.

None of this is speculation. It is documented fact.

GSP won the decision against Hendricks and decided to step away from the sport in 2013

GSP long was a spokesperson demanding stricter testing and volunteering for stricter testing and Dana kept telling him to fuck off. GSP implied 90% of the roster was using PED's and that he was one of the few not using. GSP then took a break saying the next day in an interview he would only come back if the UFC started and maintained stricter testing. A year and a half after GSP took a break, they implemented USADA in 2015. And then they kept doing it. At this point with USADA testing nonstop, hendricks turned into a fat guy who could not make 185, let alone 170 and his KO power all disappeared, and that was pretty revealing. True to his word, GSP came back(and won a title at a higher weightclass)

 

[Dionysian]

It comes down to what you value. I think many agree Jon and Fedor are the top two. Fedor ruling the golden age of HW for a decade while Jon cleaned out LHW for the last decade. Difference is Jon is still going (plus side) but Jon has the asterisks (minus side).

Personally I'd put Jon as final GOAT with a win over Stipe (especially if on the ground) and a legit HW contender without any asterisks. A win over Jiri would also trump anything at HW and solidify it IMO. For right now though I have Fedor in a narrow lead however.

 

[wildchild88]

Dude, Jones is way ahead of Fedor on achievements / GOAT case...just stop.

I am a massive Fedor fan, and think he's the much more iconic / cool fighter. But he had a good stretch in the 2000s, Jones has been beating 2-3 generations of elite modern fighters for like over 13 years..

 

[AfroBanana]

STRIKEFORCE signed Fedor while he was early 30’s and we essentially seen the same thing.

Crazy that nobody was like “he beat washed up 40 something past prime Coleman twice and LW frame 5’8 losing streak lucky punch Randleman who didn’t do much since the 90’s besides a lucky punch” like they are now.

Jon has quality over quantity. Jon is a divisional GOAT and UFC GOAT.

-Fedor universal HW GOAT, PRIDE GOAT

-Jon universal LHW GOAT, UFC GOAT

Overall GOAT?

It’s tough. I will say minus Nog and Arlovski all the “former champs” Fedor beat were not even close to champion level when he beat them.

The former champs Jon beat were still relevant, top 5 and only a few fights removed from being there.

if you choose Fedor, GSP or Jon you have solid choices.

 

[Substance Abuse]

Every GOAT thread is getting merged to the top of the page. Sorry folks.

 

[chaos_36]

Strength of schedule gives him the edge over Fedor. (especially the 2011 run)
Not getting bodied by a Middleweight in his prime puts him over GSP.