Crime All charges dropped against Jussie Smollett

[panamaican]

no, not really. employing your logic of "let's wait until more facts come to light" would result in you shutting down every thread. I said this in our last exchange and you left.

it would be cool if you just admit you jumped the gun and shit canned a story you felt was "irrelevant."

it's cool though...we all make mistakes.

I shitcanned the thread when it was just a celebrity story and stated to bring it back when it reached an actual controversy. You know this but keep pretending that you don't understand what it means.

And I left the other thread because I don't have time to argue with such blatant hypocrites.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

I shitcanned the thread when it was just a celebrity story and stated to bring it back when it reached an actual controversy. You know this but keep pretending that you don't understand what it means.

And I left the other thread because I don't have time to argue with such blatant hypocrites.

Ok, I see we're tripling down on this...

It's all good. Good day to you sir

 

[bobgeese]

I shitcanned the thread when it was just a celebrity story and stated to bring it back when it reached an actual controversy. You know this but keep pretending that you don't understand what it means.

And I left the other thread because I don't have time to argue with such blatant hypocrites.

^^^ The absolute height of disingenuousness.


Remind us again, how in this political climate, a famous gay black man being assaulted and symbolically lynched by MAGA hat wearing trump supporters is “just a celebrity story” with no connection to politics?







You’re pathetic. I’m a partisan, I don’t pretend to be anything else.

You on the other hand pretend not to be, or are so out of touch you don’t realize just how partisan you are. Shame on you.

 

[Beaver Brownlee]

I shitcanned the thread when it was just a celebrity story and stated to bring it back when it reached an actual controversy. You know this but keep pretending that you don't understand what it means.

And I left the other thread because I don't have time to argue with such blatant hypocrites.

I don't like irony, I fucking LOVE it!

Keep it up.

 

[sangreporsangre]

They released the video of him being attacked on the street lol

Seriously?? Do you have a source? I would pay money at this point to see him and the MAGA bros acting out a fight scene on the street.

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

Seriously?? Do you have a source? I would pay money at this point to see him and the MAGA bros acting out a fight scene on the street.

No attack video yet, only a vid that shows Jussie and the "attackers" walking by each other a few times before the alleged attack happened.

 

[sangreporsangre]

No attack video yet, only a vid that shows Jussie and the "attackers" walking by each other a few times before the alleged attack happened.

I knew it was too good to be true.

 

[ShadowRun]

Seriously?? Do you have a source? I would pay money at this point to see him and the MAGA bros acting out a fight scene on the street.

That’s what someone told me but I guess I was wrong it’s only before the attack him passing the brothers (his trainers)

Seriously?? Do you have a source? I would pay money at this point to see him and the MAGA bros acting out a fight scene on the street.

 

[PHATV]

U.S. Associated Press
Lawyers: Actor is a victim, so special prosecutor not needed
Lawyers for Jussie Smollett on Friday filed motions contending that because the actor was the victim of an attack earlier this year in Chicago a judge should reverse his decision to appoint...

 

[GearSolidMetal]

U.S. Associated Press
Lawyers: Actor is a victim, so special prosecutor not needed
Lawyers for Jussie Smollett on Friday filed motions contending that because the actor was the victim of an attack earlier this year in Chicago a judge should reverse his decision to appoint...

They are getting so desperate they just might claim prison isn't a place for gay black men, so Jussie shouldn't be charged.

 

[Deleted member 539235]

this guy's still trying to play victim of an "attack"? the fuck? i thought it was all out in the open, he paid the two brothers by cheque or whatever? isn't it just a question of whether he gets away with faking it?

 

[JamesRussler]

Anyone know off tops if he is protected by double jeopardy? A normal plea agreement would protect him, https://courts.illinois.gov/Opinions/AppellateCourt/2019/2ndDistrict/2170030.pdf even if the plea was engregiously unfair / light. But this is a very unusual circumstance. The state’s authority to enter into the agreement was invalid, because the prosecutor was conflicted / recused. So far the court hasn’t specifically invalidated the plea itself. Could Jussie Smollett successfully assert double jeopardy if he’s charged again?

 

[deadshot138]

Anyone know off tops if he is protected by double jeopardy? A normal plea agreement would protect him, https://courts.illinois.gov/Opinions/AppellateCourt/2019/2ndDistrict/2170030.pdf even if the plea was engregiously unfair / light. But this is a very unusual circumstance. The state’s authority to enter into the agreement was invalid, because the prosecutor was conflicted / recused. So far the court hasn’t specifically invalidated the plea itself. Could Jussie Smollett successfully assert double jeopardy if he’s charged again?

Think double jeopardy requires a trial. These charges were dropped before that ever took place.

 

[Stoic1]

Is it possible that certain mods have their powers suspended while in a certain forum - or only certain moderators allowed in here?

Asking for a friend mod.

 

[JamesRussler]

Think double jeopardy requires a trial. These charges were dropped before that ever took place.

In a jury trial, jeopardy attaches when the jury is empaneled. In a bench trial, it attaches when the first witness is sworn. If conviction is secured by plea, it attaches when the court accepts the plea (see the link I posted above, an Illinois case from a few days ago). There are many exceptions to rules I listed. I’m wondering if there’s an exception for pleas that are a “product of official misconduct,” or something like that.

EDIT: I was under the impression that Smollett took a nolo plea (“no contest,” effectively a guilty plea). His charges were actually dropped pursuant to the prosecutor’s nolle pros motion. Under Illinois law, a nolle pros operates as a dismissal on the merits only if Jeopardy has attached. https://caselaw.findlaw.com/il-court-of-appeals/1685070.html Did jeopardy attach in his case? I would argue that it did not, but apparently Smollett’s lawyers are prepared to argue that it did: https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/smollett-reconsider.pdf Smollett’s 31-page motion to reconsider appointment of the special prosecutor only briefly mentions double jeopardy. The argument is not fully fleshed out. From what little I’ve read of Illinois law, his hasty nolle pros hearing didn’t involve him being placed in jeopardy. That said, I’d have to see a transcript of the proceedings to know for sure. It’s possible that Smollett availed himself of “jeopardy” for purposes of precluding later charges.

 

[forum poster]

U.S. Associated Press
Lawyers: Actor is a victim, so special prosecutor not needed
Lawyers for Jussie Smollett on Friday filed motions contending that because the actor was the victim of an attack earlier this year in Chicago a judge should reverse his decision to appoint...

It's starting to look more and more like he actually wasn't a victim of a hate crime and that he in fact staged the whole situation.

I called this exactly nearly 2 weeks ago.

I'm no detective, but I'm beginning to suspect that he may have staged the attack.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Man what a story so far:

Chapter 1: Gay black actor almost lynched by two Trump supporting white supremacists - Question it and you are a racist.
Chapter 2: Holes in the story begin to appear. Public perception begins to change. Some lunatic Leftists still believe him.
Chapter 3: Overwhelming evidence against Smollett. Turns out he hired his friends to attack him. Police charge him. Suspended from Empire.
Chapter 4: Indicted on 26 counts. Smollett becomes a social pariah.
Chapter 5: Charges dropped by prosecutor who is friends with his family. Case sealed. Police not notified prior to dropping the charges. Police outraged. Society outraged.
Chapter 6: Smollett continues to claim innocence. Won't be invited back onto Empire. Empire cancelled after next season. Outraged city launches civil suit. Corruption investigation into the lead prosecutor. Men paid by Smollett to attack him sue Smollett's lawyers for defamation. One of the brothers who Smollett paid to attack him wins Golden Gloves tournament.
Chapter 7: New mayor in Chicago, city still proceeds with civil suit. Police union goes after Kim Foxx. Kim Foxx tries to play race card to avoid criticism for dropping the charges and having the case sealed.
Chapter 8: Judge orders special prosecutor to restore faith in the justice system. Has power to potentially charge Smollett. Kim Foxx's fate still yet to be decided. Evidence against Smollett released to public. Smollett looks ridiculous.
Chapter 9: ???

Then there's the connection to Kamala Harris a presidential candidate and the Obama's. His family claiming he suffers from night terrors because of trauma related to the event. His ridiculous TV interviews and fake tears.

Remember when mods thought this wasn't thread worthy and tried to lock it?

Nope.

I remember one particular mod closed the thread specifically because he knew exactly how thread worthy it WAS.

 

[The Road Warrior]

Is it possible that certain mods have their powers suspended while in a certain forum - or only certain moderators allowed in here?

Asking for a friend mod.

I noticed too, the dynamics are different in the war room when it comes to modding. Almost like some of them are blatant troll accounts.

 

[PHATV]

It's starting to look more and more like he actually wasn't a victim of a hate crime and that he in fact staged the whole situation.

I called this exactly nearly 2 weeks ago.

lol

Nice job. Amazing that he and his attorneys continue steadfastly down the "IT'S ALL STILL TRUE!!!" path on this one---as recently as yesterday.

No issue lying through their teeth, even when everyone else on the planet knows they are lying through their teeth. It's very telling.

 

[Not A Theist]

You’re pathetic. I’m a partisan, I don’t pretend to be anything else.

You on the other hand pretend not to be, or are so out of touch you don’t realize just how partisan you are. Shame on you.

I can't help but get the feeling that you think he's partisan because you view partisanship as basically identitarian, progressive left VS identitarian right - and if they're not with you, they're against you. You're talking to a Republican, or at the very least someone who has had an official role in the party in the past. Have you ever read his breakdown of what Republicanism means to Pan? The modern identity driven Republican isn't the only type there is. There are other Republicans who are somewhat displaced in today's "BUILD A WALL! LOW TAX, BIG SPEND!" political environment and really don't care about most of the stuff Trump made an impact with and are more concerned with balanced fiscal policy. As far as I know, that's Pan. Everyone is partisan to an extent, but I suspect you only find him partisan in an offensive way because he doesn't follow the same marching orders you do - not because he's some globalist leftist whatever.