Television ALIEN: EARTH (Renewed for Season 2)

[MLarson]

This sounds bad.

Aliens on earth has been done in both AVP movies and it sucked horribly.

Give us a new fully functioning colony world and add in the Aliens. Or add in a WY research facility that is working on Aliens and they escape.

But being set on Earth limits you massively.

I want to see Aliens Vs. The creatures from Pitch Black.

 

[BisexualMMA]

This is you dismissing our discussion without backing up what you said to call me out. I'll probably re-watch both movies now with your commontary in my head while you insist that you have no time to do the same.

Well let me know how it goes. What is it you take my commentary to be?

 

[Myrddin Wild]

What is it you take my commentary to be?

Interesting question.

I've personally experienced you tasting teh unholy tea of of public bandwagons and "trolling... & exaggerating"... despite your real opinions.

You've even digressed on the idea that you'd rather eat a steaming pile of shit rather than re-watch a certain movie. Upon calling you out on that statement, you verified that you were exaggerating for effect. So it's never clear if you're talking authentically or just talking shit.

That said, I've also seen you put thoughtful comments into your post... so I'm not sure which we're working with here. It seems to be a mixure of both.

First thought is that you're trolling me and anyone else who goes against your opinion.

I'm more "Lore heavy" than "action."

Upon a re-watch of AVP1... I'm completely immersed in everything that's happening.

In this case, we have both lore & action... but I'll digress that the intro was a bit long before we got to teh monsters... and only touched upon them for a bit in teh first half of teh movie... but after that, it's full on monsters, so we get the best of both... after a nice background build up.

I really enjoy teh build up & background info, and it weaves the action in nicely.
I never understood teh resistance to AVP1. Perhaps they over-explained it for the masses, but there was plenty of action & I would think the cool crossover would be enjoyable to most fans.

There's so many good moments offered in teh buildup after 10 minutes... which I assume most of teh resistance is dismissing.... Fook teh monsterz... we'll get that in good time.

Once we get to it... it's full on for both monsters & lore.

Learning that Predetor breads Aliens just to have something to fight blew my mind. I honestly don't understand people who would think that this isn't a pivotal point in Predator/Alien franchise history.

We've done that everywhere for years already... & I was bored with it at teh time... so I welcomed some background story. Back then... I waz on the edge of my seat!

32:00 - Revealed that the Predator's captured a mother Alien that could be frozen & re-activated when teh Predators were ready.


She waz still able to offer offerspring after infinite amounts of time frozen.

That's pretty important to teh lore & speaks to teh fact that this could take place on any planet.

Teh history at 35:00 where teh touching of teh dormant weapons triggers a beacon... & teh scene at 38:00 where they show all teh skullz of fallen humanz is epic AF & givez perspective of how long they've been doing this.

Back then we didn't know they've been "Hunting" here on earth for god knowz how long!!! This waz ground breaking information when it came out.

Alright... that's enough for now. I'd prefer a real discussion instead of these dick in hand comments you've been offering me.

 

[BisexualMMA]

You don't get to task me to do thingz... if you're not willing to task yourself. That's why I asked you.

If I feel too... after I find time to watch them both, I might let you know my thoughts. If you watch your movies too though, I'll make a point to join you in the conversation.


Interesting question.

I've personally experienced you tasting teh unholy tea of of publilc opinion and "trolling... & exaggerating"... despite your real opinions.

You've even digressed on the idea that you'd rather eat a steaming pile of shit rather than re-watch a certain movie. Upon calling you out on that statement, you verified that you were exaggerating & that you would actually rather watch the movie again rather than eating a steaming pile of shit, because eating a steaming pile of shit was the worse of the 2. You did however say the prior & stood behind it before I called you out on it.

(lol... do you really want me to recall our past?)

However, I've also seen you actually put thoughtful comments into your posts as well... so I'm not sure which we're working with here. It seems to be a mixure of both.

First thought is that you're trolling me... since you've brought nothing to the discussion other than generalized dissing.

2nd thought... is that maybe that's because you've spoken your mind elsewhere & already have your mind made up... & so you're now giving short & ridiculously "trolling worthy" responses to anyone who goes against your opinion.

Your steaming pile of shit aside... I'm more "Lore heavy" than "action."

Upon a re-watch of AVP1 (which you're unwilling to do) I'm completely immersed in everything that's happening.

In this case, we have both lore & action... but I'll digress that the intro was a bit long before we got to teh monsters... and only touched upon them for a bit in teh first half of teh movie... but after that, it's full on monsters. teh fook do you want? a hole movie of mindless monsterz? Or maybe something like this that buildz up teh entire lore before breaking out teh destruction?

Obviously I'm on teh side of teh build up & background info, but we obviously need the action. I would think that the "leading content" was enough to entice fans of teh series to stay interested on "lore."

I never understood teh resistance to AVP1.

Perhaps they over-explained it for the masses. Strangely this seems to be a common theme of big time movies over-estimating their audiences.

In this movie... we really only have 10 minutes of buildup... & then the "content" is full on with interesting lore & valid content... while teh monsters... though teased through out... only come in full force at teh half way point of teh movie. I enjoyed teh lore building oop.

There's so many good moments offered in teh buildup after 10 minutes... which I assume most of teh resistance is dismissing.... Fook teh monsterz... we'll get that in good time. imo

Once we get to it... it's full on for both.

30 min. in we get crazy background that blew my mind. I honestly don't understand people who would think otherwise that this isn't a pivotal point in Predator/Alien franchise history.

It's not all about monsters on screen... & action at this point ffs. We've done that everywhere for years already... & I was bored with it at teh time... so I welcomed some background story at first watch way back then. Back then... I waz on the edge of my seat!

32:00 - Revealed that the Predator's captured a mother Alien that could be frozen & re-activated when teh Predators were ready.


She waz still able to offer offerspring after infinite amounts of time frozen.

That's pretty important to teh lore & speaks to teh fact that this could take place on any planet.

Teh history at 35:00 where teh touching of teh dormant weapons triggers a beacon... & teh scene at 38:00 where they show all teh skullz of fallen humanz is epic AF & givez perspective of how long they've been doing this.

Back then we didn't know they've been "Hunting" here on earth for god knowz how long!!! This waz ground breaking information when it came out.

Alright... that's enough for now. I'd prefer a real discussion instead of these dick in hand comments you've been offering me.

I'll give you credit for remembering my comparing watching The Last Jedi to eating a bowl of shit. I think that's a more or less appropriate review of the film. They don't have to be literal equals.

As to the rest...do you not think you get worked up a little easily over this sort of stuff? I mean...I know you like The Last Jedi but we have no history with AVP or Highlander 2 or anything that I can remember. You start out these conversations like your back is against the wall...as the first step.

Life is short. I have given four hours of it to Alien vs. Predator. I kind of doubt I'll end up giving it six. But who knows, crazier things have happened.

So anyway, as to your comments on the recent rewatch of AVP I will address one since you seem to be asking a question.

"In this case, we have both lore & action... but I'll digress that the intro was a bit long before we got to teh monsters... and only touched upon them for a bit in teh first half of teh movie... but after that, it's full on monsters. teh fook do you want? a hole movie of mindless monsterz? Or maybe something like this that buildz up teh entire lore before breaking out teh destruction?"

I will grant that Alien vs. Predator provides quite a bit of new lore. I just didn't really care for that lore as an addition to either franchise, but especially Alien. I didn't want xenomorphs having some mystical ancient existence on earth. I found that probably even more inappropriate than the engineers stuff from Prometheus. But I will grant that while I didn't really welcome that lore to the story, the lore they came up with was at least generally coherent.

I think a whole movie of mindless monsters would have been worse than what we actually got. But in general I don't care much for X vs. X franchise mashups in the first place. The odds of coming up with a worthy story that contributes meaningfully to both franchises is a little lower in these sorts of spectacle projects. A hint at the alien in Predator 2 was cool. A whole movie of the two of them having fought on earth for millennia...I wasn't nuts about the idea but if that was the idea they were going to do, they did it well enough I suppose. Though the execution of the film was not beyond criticism. Lance Henriksen and Sanaa Lathan did a good enough job with what they had.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

Oh lordz, here we goez again.

 

[cheesus]

It will be shit, just like the Terminator TV franchise. No one other than James Cameron or Riddley Scott should be touching the Alien franchise.

 

[deviake]

Doesn't sound interesting at all but I'll keep an eye on it. Because I'm a sucker.

I just want an AvP movie in the future with Colonial Marines. The AvP games spoiled me. It doesn't need a particularly complex story or plot, just a big budget. You could whip up a serviceable story in an hour or two.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

do you not think you get worked up a little easily over this sort of stuff? I mean...I know you like The Last Jedi but we have no history with AVP or Highlander 2 or anything that I can remember. You start out these conversations like your back is against the wall...as the first step.

It wasn't the movie discussion that put my back against the wall.

Strange you don't own the fact that you started this by insulting me. Even stranger is you now trying to shift blame on me. This reminds me of how I was mercilessly attacked in the SW's threads before finally fighting back. Once I fought back then y'all turned it around on me as if I was the problem.

That said... I agree with your point that it's not worth getting worked up about anything on teh karate forum.

BTW... I wasn't a fan of Highlander 2... I looked it up & recall it now so no need for me to re-watch it. I couldn't remember it... because I was trying to forget it. I recall being fond of Highlander 3 with Peebles & teh unique weapons.

I enjoyed teh long running series with the guy who took over the lead in the movies... but I didn't like where they took teh movies to another planet & all that. Teh Original movie is still teh GOAT though.

I will grant that Alien vs. Predator provides quite a bit of new lore. I just didn't really care for that lore as an addition to either franchise, but especially Alien. I didn't want xenomorphs having some mystical ancient existence on earth. I found that probably even more inappropriate than the engineers stuff from Prometheus. But I will grant that while I didn't really welcome that lore to the story, the lore they came up with was at least generally coherent.

I think a whole movie of mindless monsters would have been worse than what we actually got. But in general I don't care much for X vs. X franchise mashups in the first place. The odds of coming up with a worthy story that contributes meaningfully to both franchises is a little lower in these sorts of spectacle projects. A hint at the alien in Predator 2 was cool. A whole movie of the two of them having fought on earth for millennia...I wasn't nuts about the idea but if that was the idea they were going to do, they did it well enough I suppose. Though the execution of the film was not beyond criticism. Lance Henriksen and Sanaa Lathan did a good enough job with what they had.

It sounds like you got enough love for AVP not to dis someone who really loves it, so I'm not sure why you insulted me for saying I held it in high regard.

It seems you went in front-loaded not to enjoy a mashup & then got immediately turned off by the idea that this has been happening since ancient timez.

Alienz & Predetors killed teh fooking dinosaurz yeah?

My experience was... & haz been... pretty much the exact opposite of yourz. I remember being excited about the mashup going in, & being very pleasantly surprised by the execution & the expanded lore. I think it's one of the coolest things... that they've been doing this for ages. It's those mind blowing reveals with the Indiana Jones temple feel, that puts this toward the top of both franchisez for me.

That lady joining teh Predetor... & them working together was teh fooking bomb.

 

[GtehMVP]

I'm more "Lore heavy" than "action."

Upon a re-watch of AVP1... I'm completely immersed in everything that's happening.

In this case, we have both lore & action... but I'll digress that the intro was a bit long before we got to teh monsters... and only touched upon them for a bit in teh first half of teh movie... but after that, it's full on monsters, so we get the best of both... after a nice background build up.

I really enjoy teh build up & background info, and it weaves the action in nicely.
I never understood teh resistance to AVP1. Perhaps they over-explained it for the masses, but there was plenty of action & I would think the cool crossover would be enjoyable to most fans.

There's so many good moments offered in teh buildup after 10 minutes... which I assume most of teh resistance is dismissing.... Fook teh monsterz... we'll get that in good time.

Once we get to it... it's full on for both monsters & lore.

Learning that Predetor breads Aliens just to have something to fight blew my mind. I honestly don't understand people who would think that this isn't a pivotal point in Predator/Alien franchise history.

We've done that everywhere for years already... & I was bored with it at teh time... so I welcomed some background story. Back then... I waz on the edge of my seat!

32:00 - Revealed that the Predator's captured a mother Alien that could be frozen & re-activated when teh Predators were ready.


She waz still able to offer offerspring after infinite amounts of time frozen.

That's pretty important to teh lore & speaks to teh fact that this could take place on any planet.

Teh history at 35:00 where teh touching of teh dormant weapons triggers a beacon... & teh scene at 38:00 where they show all teh skullz of fallen humanz is epic AF & givez perspective of how long they've been doing this.

Back then we didn't know they've been "Hunting" here on earth for god knowz how long!!! This waz ground breaking information when it came out.

Alright... that's enough for now. I'd prefer a real discussion instead of these dick in hand comments you've been offering me.

I'm a huge nerd for this franchise, lots of great books/audio dramas and games, and I really adored the Dark horse (just not the ending wit the space Jockey). I'm still pissed Alien 3 cut out Hicks and Newt, fucking idiots. The should have followed the comic story, at least much of it.

This guy's channel covers it in a quasi motion comic thing, one of my fav youtube channels.


I really liked AVP1, I just wanted to see follow ups set in the future with the Colonial Marines in the mix, like in the AVP2 (game). All the Predator films just got worse. Requiem was decent from what I recall, but way too dark. I don't remember the plot for Predators, but I always like Adrien Brody, I'll have to watch it again. The last two films were terrible.

This franchise really needs a good on-screen offering, as they've been killing it with the recent novels. Alien Isolation (game) is as good as any film too, played through it last year for the first time. Hopefully this series is great, I'm always down for some Weyland-Yutani shenanigans.

I highly recommend the 2014 novel trilogy, set between Alien and Aliens and beyond, but listen to the audio dramas, they are so well produced. I thought the Ripley voice actress was Sigourney Weaver , she's that good. The first book is the best, as Ash (replicant) from the first movie is played by the late great Rutger Hauer. Ash survived by implanting his consciousness in the computer of Ripley's shuttle. He's such a bastard!

 

[Renard]

Let me guess, the future earth will have the WEF 'global governance' (i.e. control for the technocrats, no democracy for you), digital money, digital ID, no free speech, the metaverse, and heavy restrictions on basic freedoms. Gotta make sure to condition the rubes for the future we have planned for them.

 

[GtehMVP]

I wonder how they pull off having the setting 70 years before the original film and taking place on earth. Curious if Weyland-Yutani Corp exists at that time. Hoping they do well with this project.

Not familiar with Sydney Chandler but she is fine as hell...

What's funny is I bet most people recognize her dad.

She's a hotty, def pleased with the casting. She gives me Dr Shaw vibes. They really blew things with Dr Shaw after Prometheus, she could have been the next Ripley.

Weyland absorbs Yutani in 2099, and the Colonial Marines form the following year, just around the time for this show. This is a ripe timeline for some great storytelling.

 

[Thrawn33]

guaranteed to be riddled with gender bending brave characters.

Since the Aliens movie franchise was based on a strong female lead, maybe that means we'll get a strong masculine male lead as a change up...

But your probably right.

 

[Bob Gray]

This quote from the showrunner was the exact moment I lost interest in the show

"So you will see what happens when the inequality we’re struggling with now isn’t resolved.
If we as a society can’t figure out how to prop each other up and spread the wealth, then what’s going to happen to us?’

That's just the kind of Alien series fans have been yearning for for 40 years.

 

[Thrawn33]

This quote from the showrunner was the exact moment I lost interest in the show

"So you will see what happens when the inequality we’re struggling with now isn’t resolved.
If we as a society can’t figure out how to prop each other up and spread the wealth, then what’s going to happen to us?’

That's just the kind of Alien series fans have been yearning for for 40 years.

Ahhh fuck....

Every time I hear someone chirping about wealth distribution I feel the need to question what they've done to distribute their own wealth..

 

[Myrddin Wild]

I'm a huge nerd for this franchise, lots of great books/audio dramas and games, and I really adored the Dark horse (just not the ending wit the space Jockey). I'm still pissed Alien 3 cut out Hicks and Newt, fucking idiots. The should have followed the comic story, at least much of it.

This guy's channel covers it in a quasi motion comic thing, one of my fav youtube channels.


I really liked AVP1, I just wanted to see follow ups set in the future with the Colonial Marines in the mix, like in the AVP2 (game). All the Predator films just got worse. Requiem was decent from what I recall, but way too dark. I don't remember the plot for Predators, but I always like Adrien Brody, I'll have to watch it again. The last two films were terrible.

This franchise really needs a good on-screen offering, as they've been killing it with the recent novels. Alien Isolation (game) is as good as any film too, played through it last year for the first time. Hopefully this series is great, I'm always down for some Weyland-Yutani shenanigans.

I highly recommend the 2014 novel trilogy, set between Alien and Aliens and beyond, but listen to the audio dramas, they are so well produced. I thought the Ripley voice actress was Sigourney Weaver , she's that good. The first book is the best, as Ash (replicant) from the first movie is played by the late great Rutger Hauer. Ash survived by implanting his consciousness in the computer of Ripley's shuttle. He's such a bastard!

Great post bro~

I'm nowhere as deep into the whole lore as you are... & basically just watch the movies. I'd like to know your take on what this series creator is saying "It’s the first story in the Alien franchise that takes place on Earth. It takes place on our planet, near the end of this century we’re currently in — 70-odd years from now,”

Obviously AVP took place on earth (2004 which is earlier than this series) & the lore of the movie goes way back further to show ancient civilizations being run by the Predetors who have been fighting Aliens here on earth since ancient times. So is AVP not considered a part of the Alien franchise' continuity? or maybe the series creator is just saying it will be the first "non-crossover?" Either way, it's confusing when they say that.

Is there a solid continuity akin to what Star Wars canon has? Are some stories "official continuity" while others aren't?

Have any of the comics or games come to earth?

What do you make of the series creators saying that this is the first Alien on earth?

 

[Streeter]

She reminds me of Ana De Armas, they can pass as sisters.

Maybe but Ana is significantly better looking

 

[GtehMVP]

Great post bro~

I'm nowhere as deep into the whole lore as you are... & basically just watch the movies. I'd like to know your take on what this series creator is saying "It’s the first story in the Alien franchise that takes place on Earth. It takes place on our planet, near the end of this century we’re currently in — 70-odd years from now,”

Obviously AVP took place on earth (2004 which is earlier than this series) & the lore of the movie goes way back further to show ancient civilizations being run by the Predetors who have been fighting Aliens here on earth since ancient times. So is AVP not considered a part of the Alien franchise' continuity? or maybe the series creator is just saying it will be the first "non-crossover?" Either way, it's confusing when they say that.

Is there a solid continuity akin to what Star Wars canon has? Are some stories "official continuity" while others aren't?

Have any of the comics or games come to earth?

What do you make of the series creators saying that this is the first Alien on earth?

They've done a really good job at cleaning up the lore and defining what is and not canon in recent years. It's not as clear cut as Star Wars, but it is definable.

This is probably your best resource on Canon.

https://roguereviewer.wordpress.com/2020/10/12/defining-canon-in-an-alien-world/

AVP, Predator (solo) and Aliens are their own franchises. There are different tiers of canon too, letting you enjoy them as their own take.

In their best comic series, it starts right after Aliens (before Aliens 3 came out). It focuses on Hicks and Newt largely.

I don't want to spoil anything, but yes, Earth is a huge stage in this. That Alien Theory channel covers it perfectly. I love his narration. He mixes a lot movie audio/video clips as well, while animating the comics, to a degree. Here's the playlist, 34 parts. It's so dark and gritty, with lots of new and compelling characters.

"The Survival of Hicks and Newt - Accounts of the Earth War"


I don't know where this series will fit in, but since Alien Isolation came out (game in 2014) and the River of Pain trilogy (books/audio dramas same time frame), all of the new stuff (nothing Predator related) is considered Aliens Canon. There's always the hint that Weyland knew about the Xenomorphs long before the events of the first film, so they can make it work.

The timeline for this show (if i'm getting it right) is when Weyland and Utani merge, and the Colonial Marines form. It's not long after that the Covenant colony ship departs too. Alien Covenant was a big disappointment, but the novel leading up to it is really good.

This franchise is far deeper lore wise than most people know, it's quite the rabbit hole.

 

[MicroBrew]

Well I hope the series starts off with engineer lore and the engineer homeword. We don't need more xenomorph fights; there's plenty of that from the movies.

 

[Loiosh]

70 years before, and it's on earth?
that's not an Alien movie.

Noah Hawley is a television genius; Legion should have been impossible and it was brilliant.

I'll watch anything he does and if he wants to call this Alien, I trust him.

 

[GtehMVP]

Well I hope the series starts off with engineer lore and the engineer homeword. We don't need more xenomorph fights; there's plenty of that from the movies.

I know. Prometheus has big problems, but I loved the film, especially once you include the cut scenes from the blu ray release. There's no official release, but a fan made an extended cut with those scenes in them. Unfortunately it's not in UHD, but it makes the film so much better. You find it as a torrent.

Ridley needed to finish his vision with the engineers, instead of panicking with Alien Covenant. That pleased no one. At least it's canon now, and can be touched on down the road. I just hope Ridley does it before he dies, I love his cinematography style, and he gets to dictate what's canon more than just about anyone. This is why Blade Runner will always be in the same universe, even if only on the QT, because Ridley said it is.