Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is intelligent.

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Please tell me you're trolling. She is fucking retarded and claims to be a die-hard socialist.

So is he. And so does he.

 

[Brodels]

I love how we currently have two women in the spotlight called horse face

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Socialists are desperate so they prop her up and defend her when it's clear she has no idea what she is talking about.

And Trump does?



What a hero you guys have picked.

 

[BAM]

And Trump does?



What a hero you guys have picked.

read my other posts in this thread and revisit your post.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Rofl what a statement considering the subject.

Completely true and you know it.

Please do not breed.

Already have.

 

[lilelvis]

Completely true and you know it.



Already have.

Your nephew doesn’t count.

 

[DragRacer]

She’s definitely not retarded, but not even close to anything resembling a high level thinker.
But look at the district she represents.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king!

Please tell me you're trolling. She is fucking retarded and claims to be a die-hard socialist.

 

[lifelessheap]

Murkans are brainwashed to be so frightened of socialists so they have to nitpick every thing they do.

Europe is under totalitarian control. Lmao. People are going to jail over offensive Tweets. Wrong think is punished. Socialism is gross.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Europe is under totalitarian control. Lmao. People are going to jail over offensive Tweets. Wrong think is punished. Socialism is gross.

1. Universal healthcare
2. free college
3. Highest HDI
4. Highest levels of education
5. Longer life expectancy
6. Natural non-GMO foods
7. Better public transit
8. Better cars
9. More vacation time

= "Europe is under totalitarian control"




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You guys need to put down the meth pipe for real.

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

Completely true and you know it.



Already have.

 

[octopus]

She's working on the intracies of details that so many social democracies don't even know the names of. It's no wonder sherfront would mock and try to belittle this courageous, compassionate soul. #imwithher

 

[PainIsLIfe]

1. Universal healthcare
2. free college
3. Highest HDI
4. Highest levels of education
5. Longer life expectancy
6. Natural non-GMO foods
7. Better public transit
8. Better cars
9. More vacation tim

= "Europe is under totalitarian control"




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You guys need to put down the meth pipe for real.

1. Using a different health model as well. GPs in the US make more than most specialist in Europe and meds cost roughly 10x in America. I can also call my regular dr and get in same day.

2.with 2 sons about to start college simultaneously, I can appreciate that. But nothing in life is free and I have a feeling that they don't have as many gender/race study degrees.

3. HDI is a questionable measure, but were actually in the middle of the pack with European countries - ahead of Spain France UK Italy and Finland.

4. You'd think that they would make a more money with all that education, but they don't which is really odd.

5. Another odd stat. Despite the obesity, drug epidemic and general unhealthy lifestyles we lead European only live 2.5 years longer than Americans while we factor in a huge number of murders to males in their 20s.

8. Debatable if we're talking assembly line vehicles. You do realize that they make cheaper models than the luxury line sold in the US?

6. 7. 9. I'll give you.

 

[zebby23]

She's uninformed and everyone knows it. If she had an R beside her name WR libs would tear her apart.

nah, that is generally the republicans who fear anyone with a D in front of their name. As a lib I like Nikki Haley, John Kasich and others. Moderate republicans with a brain and democrats are who we are looking for.

I challenge republicans in here to tell us some Dems they would consider voting for.

Crickets incoming

 

[PainIsLIfe]

nah, that is generally the republicans who fear anyone with a D in front of their name. As a lib I like Nikki Haley, John Kasich and others. Moderate republicans with a brain and democrats are who we are looking for.

I challenge republicans in here to tell us some Dems they would consider voting for.

Crickets incoming

Not a R, but I am a conservative. Although I can find faults with some views: Manchin and Donley; Kelly from IL in th house and Schuler when he was there, but that's been a few years.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

1. GPs in the US make more than most specialist in Europe and meds cost roughly 10x in America. I can also call my regular dr and get in same day.

Im confused. Are you championing the fact that meds cost 10X more and healthcare costs 10X more?

Docs in the US make more because healthcare in general there is a scam. And are you saying everyone in the US can get in and see a doc the same day? Because thats not the case regardless if you or other cherry-picked people can.

But nothing in life is free

A line used to justify all sorts of scams.

Just admit that free or cheap college is superior to mountebank debt college which punishes people for doing the right thing and contributing to society.

3. HDI is a questionable measure, but were actually in the middle of the pack with European countries - ahead of Spain France UK Italy and Finland.

How is it questionable? For such a questionable measure there sure are lots of rankings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where-to-be-born_Index

US-#17

2018 HDI http://hdr.undp.org/en/2018-

US-#12

2018 income-adjusted HDI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_HDI

US- #25

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-full-list

US- #17

LOL @ being ahead of Finland.

4. You'd think that they would make a more money with all that education, but they don't which is really odd.

Well they arent paying 5,000 before their insurance kicks in so that helps. Also are you really making all that money if youre thousands of dollars in debt from trying to contribute to society? Funny you didnt mention that.

5. Another odd stat. Despite the obesity, drug epidemic and general unhealthy lifestyles we lead European only live 2.5 years longer than Americans while we factor in a huge number of murders to males in their 20s.

Its not just about longevity but also quality of life. Who cares if you live to be 70 if you spend your years in nagging pain because you cant afford insurance and your country doesnt provide universal healthcare

8. Debatable if we're talking assembly line vehicles. You do realize that they make cheaper models than the luxury line sold in the US?

Do you really think Murkan cars are better than German cars on average? Do Murkans import more German cars or vice-versa? German cars are luxury cars in the US because of their quality and engineering.

 

[Nameless Ghoul]

I think despite her generally looking awkward in photos...I'd smash.

 

[ocfightfan]

She is so smart that she knows things which are not true.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Im confused. Are you championing the fact that meds cost 10X more and healthcare costs 10X more?

Docs in the US make more because healthcare in general there is a scam. And are you saying everyone in the US can get in and see a doc the same day? Because thats not the case regardless if you or other cherry-picked people can.

I'm not championing anything, but I do wonder how liberals can say our teachers are underpaid (they mostly are) and then scream our medical professionals are overpaid.

I thought my point was obvious - unless you want to reduce those costs then you'd have to admit that UHC would be considerably more expensive to implement in the US than Europe.

A line used to justify all sorts of scams.

Just admit that free or cheap college is superior to mountebank debt college which punishes people for doing the right thing and contributing to society.

If you didn't cut my post off, you'd see that I already said that I'd love since my sons will be starting college soon. That doesn't change the fact that someone (ie taxes) has to pay for it.

But you do bring up an excellent point about debt. Surely you're as equally willing to admit that it's "because higher education in general here is a scam."

How is it questionable?

Really???

The index is designed to consider other factors besides wealth, allowing a multifaceted examination of global prosperity and emerging market nations. The weaknesses of this measurement lead some critics to challenge its practicality for use in establishing foreign policy. Other factors that influence prosperity may not be sufficiently captured by this measurement
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/042815/are-there-critics-human-development-index-hdi.asp

.......Thus, a replacement for HDI is purchasing power parity adjusted real income/capita weighted by the distribution of income which uses the Gini Coefficients.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12317337

Some people also believe that the political health of a country is an important factor in its development, which includes freedom of speech and demonstration.

Aspects of Development that cannot be measured:
Freedom
Security
Sustainability
conservation

Problems with Development Indicators

The development indicators above all have their advantages and disadvantages, the main problems with them are that they only focus on certain aspects of development, socal, economic, political or even enironmental. Because of this there tend to be countries with will rank highly due to part of their country but realistically aren’t as good as another country.
https://geography-revision.co.uk/pages/development/development-indicators/

For such a questionable measure there sure are lots of rankings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where-to-be-born_Index

US-#17

2018 HDI http://hdr.undp.org/en/2018-

US-#12

2018 income-adjusted HDI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_HDI

US- #25

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-full-list

US- #17

LOL @ being ahead of Finland.

With so many of them I'd think you'd at least chose the latest iteration:

#13 US
#14 UK
#15 Finland
#24 France
#25 Slovinia
#26 Spain
#27 Czech Republic
#28 Italy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index#2018_Human_Development_Index

Well they arent paying 5,000 before their insurance kicks in so that helps. Also are you really making all that money if youre thousands of dollars in debt from trying to contribute to society? Funny you didnt mention that.

In Germany you pay 8% of your income for that "free" healthcare (that's 8% each adult) - I pay 7% and my entire family is covered. Oh and my out of pocket max is 3500/person 7k/family.

Yeah, if you're taking thousands in debt to become a social worker then you're just f'n stupid. I don't know why people go to school for useless degrees (yes social workers are needed) that aren't going to pay for themselves.

Its not just about longevity but also quality of life. Who cares if you live to be 70 if you spend your years in nagging pain because you cant afford insurance and your country doesnt provide universal healthcare

No one in Europe has nagging pains? Hmm. Besides most American's have insurance.

Do you really think Murkan cars are better than German cars on average? Do Murkans import more German cars or vice-versa? German cars are luxury cars in the US because of their quality and engineering.

We imported 494k from Germany in 2017. Germany is the 3rd largest export market of US cars. Of course we have quite a few more drivers than they do so the numbers are going to be skewed.

You've never driven a Mercedes B class. And the Linclon MKC does more than hold it's own against the GLW

https://www.mbscottsdale.com/clp-2017-mercedes-benz-gla-vs-2017-lincoln-mkc

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

I'm not championing anything, but I do wonder how liberals can say our teachers are underpaid (they mostly are) and then scream our medical professionals are overpaid.

Why is it hard to understand? In both professions you have people who go to college sometimes for many years and end up with debt in the US. Teachers come out and get paid so low some of them are literally on taxpayer assistance(EBT) and doctors come out and even if they suck are making close to millions right out of school. this seems normal to you?

I thought my point was obvious - unless you want to reduce those costs then you'd have to admit that UHC would be considerably more expensive to implement in the US than Europe.

Add a public option that competes with the HMOs and that will reduce costs tremendously.

If you didn't cut my post off, you'd see that I already said that I'd love since my sons will be starting college soon. That doesn't change the fact that someone (ie taxes) has to pay for it.

But you do bring up an excellent point about debt. Surely you're as equally willing to admit that it's "because higher education in general here is a scam."

Ofc. Everything in Murka is a scam. Punishing people with debt for trying to contribute to society really serves no purpose. But then again mountebanks shouldnt rule society.

Really???

The index is designed to consider other factors besides wealth, allowing a multifaceted examination of global prosperity and emerging market nations. The weaknesses of this measurement lead some critics to challenge its practicality for use in establishing foreign policy. Other factors that influence prosperity may not be sufficiently captured by this measurement
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/042815/are-there-critics-human-development-index-hdi.asp

.......Thus, a replacement for HDI is purchasing power parity adjusted real income/capita weighted by the distribution of income which uses the Gini Coefficients.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12317337

Some people also believe that the political health of a country is an important factor in its development, which includes freedom of speech and demonstration.

Aspects of Development that cannot be measured:
Freedom
Security
Sustainability
conservation

Problems with Development Indicators

The development indicators above all have their advantages and disadvantages, the main problems with them are that they only focus on certain aspects of development, socal, economic, political or even enironmental. Because of this there tend to be countries with will rank highly due to part of their country but realistically aren’t as good as another country.
https://geography-revision.co.uk/pages/development/development-indicators/

If theyre so unreliable why are they seemingly so accurate and used so often as a reference?

With so many of them I'd think you'd at least chose the latest iteration:

#13 US
#14 UK
#15 Finland
#24 France
#25 Slovinia
#26 Spain
#27 Czech Republic
#28 Italy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index#2018_Human_Development_Index

I did reference the latest, I also referenced the inequality-adjusted one(a truer measure IMO) which places Murka around #25, which noone else ever references.

In Germany you pay 8% of your income for that "free" healthcare (that's 8% each adult) - I pay 7% and my entire family is covered. Oh and my out of pocket max is 3500/person 7k/family.

Bahahahahaha

you have to pay $3500 before your 'insurance' even kicks in. And what is your monthly payment to keep it?

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And let me guess, after it 'kicks in' you still pay part of it right? I bet they told you you 'got a good deal' right?

Yeah, if you're taking thousands in debt to become a social worker then you're just f'n stupid. I don't know why people go to school for useless degrees (yes social workers are needed) that aren't going to pay for themselves.

So on one hand you say society needs social workers, then you say people who go to school for it are 'fvkin stupid'.....wow

So which is it? Does society need teachers and social workers or are they all just scum to you and your aristocrat buddies?

No one in Europe has nagging pains? Hmm. Besides most American's have insurance.

12% of Murkans still lack health insurance, and after Trumps attempted dismantling of the ACA 3 million more lost it than had it previously. And the ones who have it dont often use it because they have to pay thousands before it kicks in like you do. Only government employees have remotely adequate coverage, and thats because they are put on a single-payer plan that everyone in government share in.

We imported 494k from Germany in 2017. Germany is the 3rd largest export market of US cars. Of course we have quite a few more drivers than they do so the numbers are going to be skewed.

You've never driven a Mercedes B class. And the Linclon MKC does more than hold it's own against the GLW

https://www.mbscottsdale.com/clp-2017-mercedes-benz-gla-vs-2017-lincoln-mkc

And do other countries import more German cars or US ones?

http://www.worldstopexports.com/car-exports-country/

Germany has 21% of all auto exports, Murka has 7%.

You view everything through a jingoist lens and are not able to admit the truth.

 

[Andy Capp]

American politics is stuck with her for what, another 50 years? Yet another example of why I dislike the idea of "career politician." Ideologue for life.

With an attitude like that you should be in favor of term limits for politicians and jurists alike.