Alexander Karelin - Resistance Bands?

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What he means is that your bad days has to to be better than your opponents good days.

Ah, "your competitions' ". Got it.

 

[DEVILsSON]

Here is why you are wrong. It doesn't matter what pitch he throws the only thing that matters is recognizing the pitch thrown with your eyes. A blind man cannot be a hitter. Once you understand the actions you are supposed to take in sport the only thing left is execution and you take those actions actions physically.

We were talking about golf earlier. If you try to play golf with your emotions or feelings you will shoot abysmal and why? Say you drive a shot where you didn't want to hit and and now you get pissed off and even hit a worse approach shot because you were focused on your feelings instead of executing the next shot in a textbook format.

If you truly care to hit that errant shot well with the next approach shot then you would physically do what is necessary to knock the ball on the green.

This is what makes great athletes great in that they can block out everything going on around them and execute.

One of my favorite movies is Kevin Costner's For the love of the game. What he does is actually what a pitcher in real life would do by zoning out the fans in the stand and even the umpire to only focus on throwing the ball through the glove.

When it comes to fighting every single person has a freeze, flight or fight response and your reaction is mostly genetic however you can learn to overcome your natural reaction through training kind of like what Chael is talking about in the above vids. Also that is somewhat similar to your experiment. If a rat can train themselves with just one redo imagine what a human can do.

My point with the rats was that even in a life or death situation, mental aspect plays a huge role in performance. Imagine being able to increase your ability to do something by 240* times in a life or death situation? We're talking simply hitting a ball down the green or in a park/stadium with few consequences outside of maybe losing a game or at the very worst losing your spot/career if you're a pro. That flies in the face of your statements that mental aspects are mostly scams/greatly exaggerated.

The military and police train their staff through stress inoculation to improve performance in stressful situations. This creates mental resilience. Even trained personnel experience tunnel vision and other performance issues in stressful situations but it's greatly reduced compared to untrained public.

I get the part about walking on the field and executing but we're not machines and if you're a cerebral athlete you make in game/at the plate/mound adjustments. You obviously need to 'see' the ball but if you're noticing the pitcher is repeatedly missing to a certain spot or batter has a gap in their swing you'll adjust mid inning/at bat to take advantage of that shortcoming. You are not going to simply swing per usual and then go back to the dugout.

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Also, to answer the first question in this thread: on this picture from his website, we see Karelin pummeling with the bands. He's using a Deuser Zugseil, medium resistance (30 kg max per hand). We had these at our club for ten years, they just wouldn't die, although I abused them quite a bit - they were still alive when I left. I got myself the grey one (50 kg max per hand) later, but I broke that quite quickly. I should get another one at some point to see if that was a fluke, they still make them and they cost like 20€.

Bands are great.

I've had bands from 10lb to 125-150lb? for close to twenty years and they are as durable as ever.

I love them to assist for calisthenics. I can increase my training volume significantly and perform exercises I normally couldn't do.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

My point with the rats was that even in a life or death situation, mental aspect plays a huge role in performance. Imagine being able to increase your ability to do something by 273 times in a life or death situation? We're talking simply hitting a ball down the green or in a park/stadium with few consequences outside of maybe losing a game or at the very worst losing your spot/career if you're a pro. That flies in the face of your statements that mental aspects are mostly scams/greatly exaggerated.

The military and police train their staff through stress inoculation to improve performance in stressful situations. This creates mental resilience. Even trained personnel experience tunnel vision and other performance issues in stressful situations but it's greatly reduced compared to untrained public.

I get the part about walking on the field and executing but we're not machines and if you're a cerebral athlete you make in game/at the plate/mound adjustments. You obviously need to 'see' the ball but if you're noticing the pitcher is repeatedly missing to a certain spot or batter has a gap in their swing you'll adjust mid inning/at bat to take advantage of that shortcoming. You are not going to simply swing per usual and then go back to the dugout.

Bands are great.

I've had bands from 10lb to 125-150lb? for close to twenty years and they are as durable as ever.

I love them to assist for calisthenics. I can increase my training volume significantly and perform exercises I normally couldn't do.

Generally a living entity performs better when they are running for their life rather than running after something.

I know all about the military as my cousin worked directly at the White House and my other cousin was a tank commander who graduated from West Point. My close other cousin was a state trooper until his passing.

Every job has stress that goes without saying as that the human condition for living. Being trained to handle it and performing actions to nullify it is how you best overcome stress.

Of course we aren’t machines but the objective is to be machine like while performing.

Noticing the pitchers having an issue or being informed of it are both physical actions that are read or interpreted by either that athlete or someone else. It isn’t imagination or feelings.

 

[DEVILsSON]

Generally a living entity performs better when they are running for their life rather than running after something.

I know all about the military as my cousin worked directly at the White House and my other cousin was a tank commander who graduated from West Point. My close other cousin was a state trooper until his passing.

Every job has stress that goes without saying as that the human condition for living. Being trained to handle it and performing actions to nullify it is how you best overcome stress.

Of course we aren’t machines but the objective is to be machine like while performing.

Noticing the pitchers having an issue or being informed of it are both physical actions that are read or interpreted by either that athlete or someone else. It isn’t imagination or feelings.

Being able to adjust is "mental" aspect of the game/sport. This is why when there are incredibly gifted players, announcers/commentators/pundits often take notice. There's a reason some players are slated to coach before they even retire because they are that good. Cerebral parts of the game can be as important as the physical. I think we just have a difference of opinion as to how much mental aspects play a role in a sport or one's performance.

It's also the difference between walking in the gym and simply doing your best to complete prescribed sets and reps a la Sheiko or adjusting according to how you're feeling. One is black and white and the other is using your mind to make necessary adjustments. I have known very rigid athletes and they would run rain or shine, flu or not, etc even when they probably would increase their overall performance by making adjustments by simply skipping a workout.

 

[spdrew2143]

Like Louie Simmons used to say. Your 90% has to better than your competitions 100%.

Or like Emoney used to say, “multiply your total by 110% and that equals your actual total.”

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Being able to adjust is "mental" aspect of the game/sport. This is why when there are incredibly gifted players, announcers/commentators/pundits often take notice. There's a reason some players are slated to coach before they even retire because they are that good. Cerebral parts of the game can be as important as the physical. I think we just have a difference of opinion as to how much mental aspects play a role in a sport or one's performance.

It's also the difference between walking in the gym and simply doing your best to complete prescribed sets and reps a la Sheiko or adjusting according to how you're feeling. One is black and white and the other is using your mind to make necessary adjustments. I have known very rigid athletes and they would run rain or shine, flu or not, etc even when they probably would increase their overall performance by making adjustments by simply skipping a workout.

That is a physical problem brought about by the athlete themself by not listening to an established good coach. I played basketball when I was a child in rain and even games with strep throat though. You cant really take an entire athletes actions in a vacuum unless you meticulously recorded every detail from day 1 of of the beginning(which you could). You cant actually measure what people refer to as heart. That doesn't mean it isn't there but it cannot be calculated. All we can do as humans is create the best possible equation and answer the questions physically when it comes to training someone.

To become a coach in sports you have to win at lower levels whether as a player or a manager first. That is your job evaluation.

There are of course great players who would be terrible coaches because they do not have good communicable knowledge. Take Wayne Gretzky for instance. He would have been a terrible coach but is likely the greatest athlete of all time by all standards, However if he were to work with someone one on one he could help someone become a better player. Performance equates to knowledge in the real world,

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Or like Emoney used to say, “multiply your total by 110% and that equals your actual total.”

If one has never officallially competed in a sport can a total actually be exagerated?

 

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I've had bands from 10lb to 125-150lb? for close to twenty years and they are as durable as ever.

I love them to assist for calisthenics. I can increase my training volume significantly and perform exercises I normally couldn't do.

20 years is quite a bit for a latex band, I usually go through those in 1-4 years - and I have A LOT of bands by now, like at least two duffel bags full, so they see quite a bit of rotation. Some types of bands are better suited for certain things, even if they have the same length and max resistance; for example, silicone (Dopamineo) starts out with a very light resistance, but stretches very far and increases in resistance steeply towards the end, while latex is more snappy. Bungees will out-last every other type of band, but eat your skin if you're not careful.
I should also add to my last post that the 10 kg of resistance I mentioned earlier in the thread isn't the peak resistance of the typical bands; they are usually ranked by weight classes, and heavyweight bands can have up to 50 kg peak resistance per hand (= equal to a 225 lbs loop band). However, the super heavy bands are mostly used by band fetishists such as Ramazanov (86 kg Olympic champion 2024) or myself for specific workouts; the more typical resistance used by heavyweights is up to 30 kg per hand.

I tried to use bands as an assistance for intermediate bodyweight stuff like muscle ups and planches 20 years ago in my teens, but didn't have much success with it; in the end, I went for other options (gymnastic progressions) instead. The only thing where it did work out for me were press handstands. I sometimes did pull-ups against strong band resistance (a.l. 60 kg at the top, probably more) though, those were fun.
I should mention that also a longer, stronger band such as the 3-5 m bands typically used by wrestlers can be used to provide progressively less (assistance) or more (resistance) for body weight exercises, by tying it longer or shorter.

 

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I have known very rigid athletes and they would run rain or shine, flu or not, etc even when they probably would increase their overall performance by making adjustments by simply skipping a workout.

I suspect that that may have contributed to the death of Cyril Boulanger (French Judo champ) from Covid at the age of 37 (though there may be other, undisclosed factors). Trying to power through an infection can be risky business, as I had to learn myself in my mid-30ies when I re-started training too early after a flu (or whatever it was) once, then a year later through a cold. Backlash hit me like a sledgehammer both times. Since then, I learned my lesson and control my training urges for a few days longer than I think necessary. You live and learn.

 

[DEVILsSON]

I suspect that that may have contributed to the death of Cyril Boulanger (French Judo champ) from Covid at the age of 37 (though there may be other, undisclosed factors). Trying to power through an infection can be risky business, as I had to learn myself in my mid-30ies when I re-started training too early after a flu (or whatever it was) once, then a year later through a cold. Backlash hit me like a sledgehammer both times. Since then, I learned my lesson and control my training urges for a few days longer than I think necessary. You live and learn.

I highly recommend taking high dose melatonin for any upper respiratory infections (flu, cold, etc). I'd take at least 100mg per day and maybe even 1000mg. I've had very good luck kicking them last few times I've had them. Only exception was this year when I was down for a week. Most people know about taking Vit C, Vit D, and Zinc but not melatonin. Melatonin was found to significantly improve outcomes in people with severe C19 symptoms.

 

[DEVILsSON]

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[ROcknrollracing]

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All jokes aside doing quarter/half squats aren't a bad idea for jumping.

 

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All jokes aside doing quarter/half squats aren't a bad idea for jumping.

No. The East German wrestling team didn't have full squats in their strength standards, only half squats (90°), I guess because the number of pre-existing knee injuries is so high in wrestling. The numbers they wanted to see were quite up there though, 160 kg from the under 52 kg guys and 205 kg from the over 100 kg guys. They also wanted them to be able to rep out between 64 (52 kg class) and 44 reps (over 100 kg class) in 45 seconds with 75% of their weight class limit on the bar.
But a few reps quarter squats with 60 kg for a guy weighing almost 150 kg arguably won't have much of an effect.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

No. The East German wrestling team didn't have full squats in their strength standards, only half squats (90°), I guess because the number of pre-existing knee injuries is so high in wrestling. The numbers they wanted to see were quite up there though, 160 kg from the under 52 kg guys and 205 kg from the over 100 kg guys. They also wanted them to be able to rep out between 64 (52 kg class) and 44 reps (over 100 kg class) in 45 seconds with 75% of their weight class limit on the bar.
But a few reps quarter squats with 60 kg for a guy weighing almost 150 kg arguably won't have much of an effect.

I didnt say you should only do reduced ROM work exclusively. I said they aren't a bad idea as It is more spot specific.

 

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I didnt say you should only do reduced ROM work exclusively. I said they aren't a bad idea as It is more spot specific.

No, you didn't say that, nor did I, nor did the East German team (they just didn't test full squats, but it's kinda hard to wrestle without ever bending the leg more than 90°; but you CAN wrestle in a way that you only have the exert max force with the leg bent 90° or less).