Aleksandr Karelin

[MartinGibson86]

You should use Freestyle Wrestling on the feet and as soon as you go to the ground you should use Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

Folkstyle wrestling concentrates on holding a guy down that uses the turtle position exclusively and focuses 99% of its techniques on turning him from Turtle to his back

People who are American mixed martial arts fans have had their interpretation of the sport perverted by the UFC sports entertainment policy

Just because all your heroes are folk style wrestlers doesn't mean it's the best style for MMA

Its proven to be the best tho.


Think we found ~guerilla~'s alt account lol

 

[MartinGibson86]

Dude it's common knowledge that folkstyle translates better to MMA than freestyle wrestling. More emphasis on top control, less emphasis on high-amplitude throws (which most of the time aren't that useful for MMA just because they're so hard to do). Yoel Romero was an Olympic freestyle wrestler but he is not good at holding people down.

Brunson totally outwrestled yoel
tito outwrestled vlad
Jim miller outwrestled Shalorus


All lower tier golkstylists vs freestyle standouts

 

[PRYMAYTE]

Its proven to be the best tho.


Think we found ~guerilla~'s alt account lol

how is it "proven to be the best" when it has such a losing record against International style?

You looking for somebody?

 

[JustHereToLurk]

a) 96kg is like 210 pounds, Fujita is like 260.
b) that was an awkward boxing match.

Well there was also his fight with Eldar Kurtanidze. Eldar tried to take him down but got stuffed every time.

 

[PRYMAYTE]

Brunson totally outwrestled yoel
tito outwrestled vlad
Jim miller outwrestled Shalorus


All lower tier golkstylists vs freestyle standouts

International style wont beat folkstyle 100% of the time...just mostly because it concentrates on the takedown whereas folkstyle is all about the pin yet for some reason folk Wrestlers don't pin freestyle wrestlers in wrestling competition?

 

[Paolo Delutis]

How many decades have you been a wrestling coach?

randy and John are not International style wrestlers... in fact no Americans are because they don't have international wrestling in the states in any real quantity

they're folk style wrestlers that dabbled in international style

Khabib is an International wrestler that never contaminated himself with lame-ass American folk style wrestling

Your sherdog Belt level is completely irrelevant to your knowledge on mixed martial arts in fact it's quite commonly antithetical

If I'm someone that did 20 years of Muay Thai and had three boxing bouts at the end of my career I'm not really a good example of a boxer!

International and folk and north american vs international wrestling are just competition types or levels... Doesnt change the art...

For example theres taekwondo classes and theres olympic taekwondo teams...same art but different level or style of competitiveness...

Greco roman is greco roman ...and so on..
How well u apply it is up to the practitioner and the level theyve brought there skills too...

Saying greco Roman or even judo is shit for MMA is just retarded ..lol...its no different then saying boxing is the worse base for mma.. Its about the practitioner and how they adapt there game to MMA and the level of skill/competition theyve achieved in there skillset

 

[MartinGibson86]

how is it "proven to be the best" when it has such a losing record against International style?

You looking for somebody?

Ok...
YFC champs whose base s folk: Coleman, Couture, Randleman, Lesnar, Cain,Stipe, DC
....
Bones, Rashad, ....


Should I keep going lol.... im just getting to lhw

 

[Human Bass]

Greco grappling is too poor, we dont know how well he would adapt to the much more intricate ground game of mma with submissions and such.

 

[Human Bass]

Lol at people saying Khabib is a freestyle wrestler. He is a combat sambo guy, and combat sambo allows guard, subs, ground and pound. Combat sambo is closer to bjj than wrestling positional wise.

 

[MartinGibson86]

International style wont beat folkstyle 100% of the time...just mostly because it concentrates on the takedown whereas folkstyle is all about the pin yet for some reason folk Wrestlers don't pin freestyle wrestlers in wrestling competition?

Another idiotic comparison of folkstyle vs freestyle matches ( none have ever happenened)..."safe for American schoolkids"..."i've coached for 20 years"...

@I WILL CUT YOU @D 1 Wrestler


Im in here extolling the great Karelin, and this goof ruined it lol

 

[MartinGibson86]

Lol at people saying Khabib is a freestyle wrestler. He is a combat sambo guy, and combat sambo allows guard, subs, ground and pound. Combat sambo is closer to bjj than wrestling positional wise.

His TDs are right ouuta hs wrestling honestly.

Hes at AKA for a reason.He is ahybrid grappler tho

 

[Badger67]

Hey Guerilla, did you forget your password? Made a new dummy account lol

 

[Sticko]

Lol at people saying Khabib is a freestyle wrestler. He is a combat sambo guy, and combat sambo allows guard, subs, ground and pound. Combat sambo is closer to bjj than wrestling positional wise.

Combat sambo does not really have guard because your opponent scores points for throws and pins. You can't stay lying on your back in sambo.

Sambo does have submissions (although strangely, standing sub attempts are not allowed, only grounded submissions). However you only have a limited amount of time to complete the sub and if the opponent doesn't tap you get stood up.

 

[kflo]

Jon jones greco roman wrestler- longest reigning LHW champion

Randy couture greco roman wrestler...Mutliple division and Repeat champion


Should i continue? Theres many

What a white belt post

They were also folk wrestlers.

 

[Human Bass]

Combat sambo does not really have guard because your opponent scores points for throws and pins. You can't stay lying on your back in sambo.

Sambo does have submissions (although strangely, standing sub attempts are not allowed, only grounded submissions). However you only have a limited amount of time to complete the sub and if the opponent doesn't tap you get stood up.

You are mistaking sport Sambo with Combat Sambo. Sport Sambo has pin even inside the guard like wrestling, Combat Samboe doesnt have win by pin. Combat Sambo allow chokes, including triangles and rear naked chokes, Sport Sambo doesnt allow chokes and cant, since to avoid the pin, the fighter must expose his back, what would make very easy to choke and ground and pound.

 

[Bob Sapp]

That's not true at all. For the most part European wrestling just doesn't work. Just like most of their things, it's style over substance. American wrestling is all about coming from catch if catch can styles, just like BJJ. European wrestling is mostly a social spot for gays to meet and 'grapple' each other.

 

[mjfan23]

He most likely would have been the greatest of his time

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Another idiotic comparison of folkstyle vs freestyle matches ( none have ever happenened)..."safe for American schoolkids"..."i've coached for 20 years"...

@I WILL CUT YOU @D 1 Wrestler


Im in here extolling the great Karelin, and this goof ruined it lol

Lmao, it's definitely him. Claiming folkstyle is about the turtle position and nothing else, what a fucking can.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

LOL at you calling for help

Alexander is quite possibly the greatest greco wrestler of all time but he looks TERRIBLE at MMA

Would love to see him vs Lopez

Remember when you said Israel Adesanya was a freestyle wrestler?


Go away troll, you're a joke.

 

[PRYMAYTE]

Lmao, it's definitely him. Claiming folkstyle is about the turtle position and nothing else, what a fucking can.

Folkstyle wrestling spends the majority of its time on the mat and freestyle focuses on takedowns

I'm not trying to change the subject from Alexander karelins ability to win in MMA but it seems like it's a popular topic around here LOL