Aldo v Ortega

[grizzard2bid]

That was a ridiculous error from Cody, but wipe away the TJ fights, especially the second, and you have a very good MMA boxer. I don't like to pretend that things never happened, but the guy has skills. Slips punches very well, lightning quick hands, the hardest puncher at 35 along with lineker.

To believe Jon Jones is better is just nuts. Jon Jones has serviceable boxing when combined with his reach, but that's it. His distance management is very good though and his fight IQ is some of the best. Not a good boxer though.

Your argument rest on "if my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle" premise. That' not how it works. Both Aldo and Cody made those errors because their fundamentals weren't all there.

 

[SteveColdStone]

Your argument rest on "if my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle" premise. That' not how it works. Both Aldo and Cody made those errors because their fundamentals weren't all there.

Neither are pro boxers, they will make mistakes sometimes. I believe emotions played a big part in the way both of them lost though. Can you say Jon Jones is a better Boxer than both Aldo and Cody because he hasn't made the same errors and been brutally punished for them? I don't think you can. Has he shown better boxing skills than those 2? No he hasn't. Aldo's and Cody's skills in MMA boxing outweigh their deficiancies, and they are two of the best.

 

[reigning terroe]

He was wild in that fight and too emotional. It was quite embarrassing but he has shown great hands and head movement.

I don't question TJ's boxing, but I prefer Cody's boxing to TJ's. Now Cody may never be able to apply his boxing to get a win against TJ, but take kicks out of the equation and no rivalry, Cody is a better boxer. I know that's a lot of ifs, but I don't think TJ is a better boxer at all.

You’re right
Boxing
Cody>TJ
MMA Striking
TJ>Cody

What Cody did to Cruz deserves a lot of respect, his counters, footwork and defense was great and I enjoyed watching it. It’s possible Cody would’ve finished TJ in the first fight if the round didn’t end. But TJ composed himself and took him out and because of that I knew Cody wouldn’t be TJ in the rematch because Cody would have too many yes men telling him he was better than TJ and also he’d get to emotional fighting a former teammate who finished him their first fight and handed him his first professional loss. An immediate rematch was the worst thing for Cody besides fighting Lineker imo.

 

[SteveColdStone]

You’re right
Boxing
Cody>TJ
MMA Striking
TJ>Cody

What Cody did to Cruz deserves a lot of respect, his counters, footwork and defense was great and I enjoyed watching it. It’s possible Cody would’ve finished TJ in the first fight if the round didn’t end. But TJ composed himself and took him out and because of that I knew Cody wouldn’t be TJ in the rematch because Cody would have too many yes men telling him he was better than TJ and also he’d get to emotional fighting a former teammate who finished him their first fight and handed him his first professional loss. An immediate rematch was the worst thing for Cody besides fighting Lineker imo.

Yes, I can't accept TJ won because he is a better pure boxer. He has improved though. The coaching is another element of Cody's situation, like you said.

 

[mikesparrow]

Most people don't realize not getting hit is just as important and aspect of Boxing as hitting and think anyone that throws a thousand punches to land a few hundred is a good Boxer even if they take a few hundred shots in the process.

Unless you're in the Boxing subform arguing about it on here is a waste of time. Aldo has the best footwork, piviots and jab we have seen in a long time as well as fantastic head movement. He get's hit less than almost everyone on that guy's list including Conor but unfortunately he got over agressive once trying to take a guys head off as quickly as possible and paid for his recklessness and then got overwhelmed by an iron chinned pressure fighter who he was clearly beating until the pressure broke him so now he will be remembered as a second rate striker and a nobody by a fickle and generally uneducated fan base. Sad really.

Totally agree. It really is sad that people watch something so many times and still don't understand anything about the sport.

 

[Fearthekhabib]

But also doesn’t have Max’s reach and his questionable cardio and chin at this point

I think it’s a pick em fight could go either way would love to see

Aldo reach 70

Holloway 69

Mcgregor reach 74