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aikido vs sub-wrestling

Looks suspiciously like BJJ, and I've never heard of Turkish Submission Wrestling before.
 
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The Grandmaster
TURKISH SUBMISSION WRESTLING

"Time has hidden many of man’s greatest achievements. Secrets have been buried. Arts have been lost. This is particularly true to the Martial Arts. After thousands of years of hand-to-hand combat, almost all Martial Arts have been reduced to patchwork techniques cobbled together over the last few decades. The history has been forgotten. The development of Martial Arts has been either been handicapped by sporting rules or crippled by the commercialism of the black belt salesmen.

Occasionally, a lost art is rediscovered and the true essence of a Martial Art is revived. In recent history, these have been rare but exciting events. Jim Arvanitis in Greece brought back the ancient art of Pankration. Helio Gracie combined the roots of Brazilian grappling with traditional Jiu Jitsu, creatively calling it Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Viktor Spiridonov and Vasili Oshchepko reconnected Russia with its Turkic fighting roots with the development of Sambo. Tellingly, each one of these revivals has seen a definite similarity in style. Each Martial Art revival that has looked to its roots has seen its wrestling origins. Not of the sporting type, but the vicious close combat style of submission wrestling. It is today, in the 21st Century, another revival is taking place. The oldest form of submission wrestling. The most complete and comprehensive style of fighting, Teslim Alma Guresh. The Reviver, Grand Master Levent Altunbas.

As a young fighting Turk, Grand Master Altunbas was unsatisfied with the traditional Asian Martial Arts and the wrestling sports he found in Turkey. He began to research the fighting accounts of the Turkic and Arabian warriors. He found Teslim Alma Guresh. A fierce fighting method with ancient roots in the early Sumerian empires and the Turkic-Asian tribes and perfected in the first Islamic Empire. There were accounts of legendary warriors being forced to admit defeat hand-to-hand combat against the Islamic leaders. This was the beginning of the rediscovery of Teslim Alma Guresh. With a basic foundation, Grand Master Altunbas began to travel the world, testing his techniques against the world’s deadliest fighters. He fought against Olympic wrestlers, Presidential bodyguards, Ninjas, Aikidokas, Kung Fu masters, even Mixed Martial Arts fighters like George Sotiropoulos. He was, and still is, undefeated. Over a period of more than twenty years, each victory brought another development and another refinement of Teslim Alma Guresh."

The Grandmaster
 
Only Aikido is lame enough to actually applaud at getting whooped by a joker like that.

It's like an alternate dimension.
 
Balto said:
Only Aikido is lame enough to actually applaud at getting whooped by a joker like that.

It's like an alternate dimension.
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Aikido is ok. It's actually more of an "internal" art and not something you learn to fight with.
You also learn weapons. Obviously, their throws are cooperative. It has also been watered down since the Master started it. The Master fought many challenge matches in his day (no doubt using judo and juijitsu techniques) and won.

It's cool to see them actually being humble and being willing to learn.
No McDojo in the US would feature a black belt putting himself out there and getting humbled in front of the others.
 
tenniswhiz said:
Aikido is ok. It's actually more of an "internal" art and not something you learn to fight with.
You also learn weapons. Obviously, their throws are cooperative. It has also been watered down since the Master started it. The Master fought many challenge matches in his day (no doubt using judo and juijitsu techniques) and won.

It's cool to see them actually being humble and being willing to learn.
No McDojo in the US would feature a black belt putting himself out there and getting humbled in front of the others.
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As a black belt and active practitioner/instructor in Aikido (also BJJ blue belt at Alliance Atlanta) I think this is a fair assessment.

Aikido is not a martial art in the same sense that BJJ, Judo, etc, are martial arts. It is not a study with the ultimate goal of applying maximally effective techniques to a fully resisting opponent. Personally, I put it in the same group as capoeira. It is a physical discipline with a connection to culture and history that teaches concepts about combat, without actually fighting, and whose primary focus is building a community and fostering personal development. As a secondary effect students also learn techniques that they should be able to execute against an "average joe", though likely not a trained fighter. (That said, I've actually found most of the technical concepts to be entirely applicable in BJJ with only minor adaptation.) Nearly all the senior students and instructors that I know are quite realistic about their abilities and have few illusions about being magical ninjas that could clear out the UFC if they could only be bothered to get a set of MMA gloves.

I could go into quite a lot of detail about how and why Aikido is like this, how people's assumptions about the context of fighting makes a huge difference in what and how you train, and why all that is wholly appropriate, but I doubt folks here would find it interesting. The bottom line is that I continue to train because it's fun, I learn a lot about myself, and it's a great, positive community to be a part of. Aikido is definitely not the shortest path to becoming an elite unarmed fighter, but it isn't supposed to be and shouldn't be held to that standard. (Except for the magical ninja crowd - they do exist and they deserve all the shit they get.)
 
Aw it wasn't really a match :(
Aikido guy just stood there and did some fancy breakfalls.
 
being really, really good at Aikido/Hapkido lends itself well to grappling. By itself depends on the school. Sun Moon could probably mop the floor with everyone on the board. there's also the size/skill/can they strike factor.

there's something to be said about learning to move like that, picking those angles and being able to turn on a dime. and there's also a difference between flashy demo techniques and how someone with that kind of experience would handle a situation.
 
BruceLeeMMA said:
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The Grandmaster
TURKISH SUBMISSION WRESTLING

"Time has hidden many of man’s greatest achievements. Secrets have been buried. Arts have been lost. This is particularly true to the Martial Arts. After thousands of years of hand-to-hand combat, almost all Martial Arts have been reduced to patchwork techniques cobbled together over the last few decades. The history has been forgotten. The development of Martial Arts has been either been handicapped by sporting rules or crippled by the commercialism of the black belt salesmen.

Occasionally, a lost art is rediscovered and the true essence of a Martial Art is revived. In recent history, these have been rare but exciting events. Jim Arvanitis in Greece brought back the ancient art of Pankration. Helio Gracie combined the roots of Brazilian grappling with traditional Jiu Jitsu, creatively calling it Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Viktor Spiridonov and Vasili Oshchepko reconnected Russia with its Turkic fighting roots with the development of Sambo. Tellingly, each one of these revivals has seen a definite similarity in style. Each Martial Art revival that has looked to its roots has seen its wrestling origins. Not of the sporting type, but the vicious close combat style of submission wrestling. It is today, in the 21st Century, another revival is taking place. The oldest form of submission wrestling. The most complete and comprehensive style of fighting, Teslim Alma Guresh. The Reviver, Grand Master Levent Altunbas.

As a young fighting Turk, Grand Master Altunbas was unsatisfied with the traditional Asian Martial Arts and the wrestling sports he found in Turkey. He began to research the fighting accounts of the Turkic and Arabian warriors. He found Teslim Alma Guresh. A fierce fighting method with ancient roots in the early Sumerian empires and the Turkic-Asian tribes and perfected in the first Islamic Empire. There were accounts of legendary warriors being forced to admit defeat hand-to-hand combat against the Islamic leaders. This was the beginning of the rediscovery of Teslim Alma Guresh. With a basic foundation, Grand Master Altunbas began to travel the world, testing his techniques against the world’s deadliest fighters. He fought against Olympic wrestlers, Presidential bodyguards, Ninjas, Aikidokas, Kung Fu masters, even Mixed Martial Arts fighters like George Sotiropoulos. He was, and still is, undefeated. Over a period of more than twenty years, each victory brought another development and another refinement of Teslim Alma Guresh."

The Grandmaster
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So, he fought NINJAS? :eek:
 
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